ellis c. brian mcauley is . he is not a household name. >> yes. he is an astounding special agent very early one of the visionary leaders who said we cannot afford to be fighting we need to work together. there was only a handful of the fbi in afghanistan he brings in more than 100 because they were killing american soldiers and trying to understand of ied deaths to brings in the behavioral science people and has an interview today the best did not go off for in these experts profilers understood how most of the moral level peasants from pakistan with the refugee camps were radicalized by erratic call imam in a tribal area and basically were told they will go to heaven with this operation and their families are paid money then they are brought to the of logistics' where they meet up with of guy of the vehicle of the ied t. so they have to understand that i agree annual level. but as one of the profilers told me they are manipulating these guys and it is very sophisticated because somebody who is the uneducated and not capable to go after a soft ta