but i just realized that i actually have a tie to ellis island.ong story. but i suddenly have something in common with the people of ellis island, the immigrants. and i, for me, it was like, oh my god, wow, we really are connect lt connected. so cuccinelli doesn't understand how we immigrants feel about the things that he's saying. for us to have a relationship to ellis island is part of the american story. for him to kind of throw all immigrants of color under the bus and just be like, this has nothing to do with you is deeply insulting. but here's what's important, chris. this is not new. actually this is a concerted effort decades long by conservative think tanks and academics to basically try to reframe the american narrative around immigration. they have been saying for a long time immigrants are not what makes this -- we're not an immigrant country. i remember the first time i heard that. i said what do you mean we're not an immigrant country? he said that's the past. that's when we were younger. that was an adolescent america. we're not an

the other day i went to ellis island to trace my family roots and i have to say it was very emotionalre we had originally come from, and i was looking and looking and poring over the records and, finally, finally i found burgundy. josiah and rhonda burgundy. country of origin, and someone had drawn some intricate male genitalia. ( laughter ) so that was -- so that was a bummer. that's not so much a joke as a cautionary tale. ( laughter ) so if you go to ellis island, people, be prepared there's some mean people out there with a sharpie drawing penises where it says country of origin. so true story. ( laughter ) here's one i'm going to leave you with, two guys walk into a bar, a gay guy and a straight guy. ( laughter ) the gay guy says to the bartender, i'd like to order a drink. the bartender is a mexican guy and he says, what'll you have? meanwhile, down the bar is a chinese lady. ( laughter ) just minding her business, but before anyone can order, in walks a black guy, and he walks right up to the bar all calm and cool. now, the straight guy takes a look at what's going on and he tu

beyond the symbolism of the statue of liberty and ellis island, this is also about army and navy. amazing. fantastic. >> we only had 200 yards and then swim around and then we get to the end of that and we find out i guess we have still got to go all the way to the boat. pete: 150 yards. i think can i do that. carley: you guys nervous before you started the swim. >> this is my nervous face right here. [laughter] carley: fantastic. pete: my goodness. guys, whatever little faith you had in me to begin with we found it. we will see how we go for the rest of it. jedediah: thanks, guys. we will check back in with you. pete is doing a great job. regardless of what he says. that's tough work and doing an amazing job. we will continue to follow his journey. right now we are going to bring back newly employed construction worker patrick hoagland pat's new boss carrie burkhardt and the woman who posted his resume online. melissa. we were talking to you before about what inspired you to do something for patrick when you saw that he had this sign out there? what was it about his sign that cau

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ellis island, 100 years ago. immigrants were pouring into the country, at times 100,000 a month, packed body to body on boats, penniless, hungry, desperate to become americans. >> they were considered just inferior. polish people or jewish people or southern italians. >> at the time, many european immigrants were considered to be entirely different races. >> people referred to people from ireland as a race. people from hungary as a race. the jews as a race. >> with new enemies to hate, membership in the klan soared. some of america's most prominent men were under those hoods. >> hugo black was a member of the ku klux klan. >> until 1925 when he served as a supreme court justice until 1971. back then, white supremacy was an elite movement led by the some of america's richest and most powerful. some of america's richest and most powerful.some of america's richest and most powerful. some of america's richest and most powerful. they came up with a solution. a pseudo-science called eugenics, based on the belief that m

america and we are limiting their ability to seek the american dream just like the folks who went to ellis islande my grandparents who came to the court of chicago, to the airport, once again there making it clear they don't want immigrants from certain countries coming to this country. >> being you have financial means for yourself or have a job to go to, how to set target -- >> opera einstein could not legally provide for himself. >> we are not talking asylum or refugee. it is not something -- >> the smartest people in this country came to this country, haitian refugees came to the country, they don't have anything. america is the city on the hill, we all want the statue of liberty. >> if you're coming with nothing how can you show you will have a job? >> we are not having an honest conversation about this. the left will constantly say they are trying to exclude certain people and that's not true. we are applying this to everybody, not just latin americans, not just the african nations, not just to russia. we are applying this across the board so it's not excluding certain people. what we are d

ellis island a hundred years ago. immigrants poured into the country, at times 100,000 a month backed body to body on restricty boats. penniless, hungry dprit to become. >> they were considered inferior. polish people, jewish or southern italians. >> at the time many european immigrants were considered different races. >> people referred to people from ireland as a rest. people from hungary, the jews as a race. >> with new men enemies to hate, membership in the klan soared. some of america's most prominent men were under the hoods. >> hugo black was a member of the ku klux klan. >> until 1925. he went on to serve as a supreme court justice until 1971. back then, white supremacy was an elite movement led by some of america's richest and most powerful. they came up with a solution. a pseudo science called eujenics that many americans were mentally defective. >> america is did he generating. >> they believed the so-called defectives should not be allowed to repursue. >> sterilize women who weren't thought capable of havi

. >> sean: my grandparents came from ellis island.y father grew up poured in ben stein's they had nothing growing up, absolutely nothing. my father fights in world war i world war ii. >> so did my dad. >> sean: he got a 5500 lots, $1300 house? that was success. the question is we can do better, but that's not the answer, mr. mayor. you talk a lot about money being in the wrong hands. are you saying the people who have money stolen? >> can i give you an exact quote, let's be fair? there is plenty of money in this world, there's plenty of wealth of this world. it's just in the wrong hands. because of federal policy that took it from working people and give it to the 1%. i want working people to get their fair share. should anybody be working for less than $50 an hour? >> sean: i don't like the minimum wage -- >> you describe your life as a working man, i respect that. do you think people should get $50 an hour in today's economy. >> sean: no, it hurts kids to get the jobs. we have record youth unemployment -- >> talk about people trying

that wasn't the case back in the days of ellis island which ken cuccinelli was talking about. didn't even exist. and today while we have those public assistance programs, d.r.e.a.m.ers, h grksb1 visas a visitors can't. >> so what's the goal, then? if you're not stopping people from coming into this country and abusing our public welfare systems, is that just for the base to say, yeah, good, you're stopping them? >> yes, because it's more than the base. your average person out there, ali, does not know the ins and outs of our immigration system -- >> i emigrated to this country. i don't know the rules. >> that's why i'm saying, did we have public assistance rules when they first emigrated here from europe? the answer is no. they can say, i'm not doing very well and these immigrants are on public assistance. come on now. >>> the recession is doing better than when we started the show. we'll tell you about that. we're live on msnbc. e live on m. (dad) i think it's here. (mom vo) especially at this age. (big sister) where are we going? (mom vo) it's a big, beautiful world out ther

el paso was sort of -- if you want to think of it as the ellis island of the southwest. going back to the mexican revolution, so many mexican americans came through el paso. it's part of our family's origins, stories that began in this country and now to have that associated with this president's brand of racism, bigotry is truly shattering to people. i feel that it's really challenging among many latinos, ideals of what we believe this nation to be. >> stephanie, what raul said is important. he's saying words have consequences. words mean something. but i do also often hear the flip side of what is your response when you hear people say that what president trump is doing is ignore the twitter feed, look at his actions, not at his words. what trump is doing, it's just words. >> we cannot pretend that words and actions do not have consequences. there was clear and direct linkages in the shooter's manifesto, about hispanic invasions, when you talk about muslim bans, locking kids in cages. we cannot pretend that words don't have consequences and actions don't have consequen

say, okay, we are in danger of our lives, we are going to plead asylum, it's no different from ellis island. what is different, what is different is taking children away from their parents, and that's a problem. you want to talk about radicalizing people? you want to talk about an issue down thet line? >> jason: you see this building right behind me, the capitol. point to the congress because there's i.c.e. agents and border patrol agents, they are enforcing the current law. i agree there should be changes but you know what, what i see from the democrats -- hold on. i have to go to kayleigh.but whm disparaging the men and women who put their lives on the line to protect our country, protect our livelihoods, protect our safety. there's a big contrast between what donald trump and the republicans are saying and the democrats are saying. kayleigh, i want to bring you in here because this is going to be a big issue. whether democrats want it oro not, donald trump believes he can drive this issue all the way to november 2020, right? >> no doubt. the policies we just heard began under the obama a

people who are arriving at ellis island waving and going and presenting their paperwork in the hopes of qualifying for admission. in the first 15 years after -- of the 20th century, 40% to 50% of the immigrants listed as poli polish, italian or hebrew, but during world war 11, immigration drops. by the time is war is over, congress becomes determined to limit immigration. there's a confluence of factors. the u.s. is isolationist after world war i. the senate doesn't approve of joining the league of nations and the u.s. demilitarizes vowing never to go to war again. this results in anti-immigration sentiment. they felt as though the pressure of large numbers of foreign born who had close ties overseas might pressure the u.s. to intervene in future conflicts. there's the worldwide influenza pandemic in 1919. it led to 615,000 deaths in the united states. americans understand that disease as infiltrating the u.s. from overseas. at the time history books are focussed on the closure of the american frontier and wrapped american history up in an idea the americas were the place of opportun

to remind me today, stephen miller written by his uncle actually, his grandfather immigrated to ellis island fleeing belarus from violent anti-jewish problems. he came with $8 in his pocket. the sheer hypocrisy. and his comment just underscored the lack of introspection that i think the white house has had for what a lot of these policies are doing and they're currently wreaking havoc on communities already here. "the washington post" reported yesterday that actually 20% of legal immigrants living in new york city have already withdrawn from a lot of benefits they're recipients of because they're living in fear. changing asylum laws, deporting, mass deportations there are tons of americans living in fear at the moment. >> if i could just add, on a positive note, there are so many charitable organizations in this country that i would expect would stand up. we are the most charitable country in the world. not taking away from the obligation the government should hold but notwithstanding, a lot of private charities, religious, what have you, are going to step up and help refugees and immigrants

during the ellis island days, they would look r or not they thought somebody was physically able of performing they have family members already here, sponsors, did they bring any moneyith them, so it was sort of on the fly. this has been a priority of this administration to gepublic charge rule published sie the administration came in. an executive order was issuedin earlhe presidency asking for this to be done. so it's new in that we don't know exactly how it's going to be ilemented. it's a relative standard especially the prospective looking part is an immigrant likely to be become a publiatc charge, s more iffy because they're looking at is he going to he a work history, what's the education level, do they have health issues where they would become a publi charge. we've already seen come of this because consulates overseas have been implementinghithrough the review process over the last year, already. >> reporter: now i wan turn to a major story from last wimeek. 68grants were arrested at immigration raids in food processing cente in mississippi. what goes into such raids and what legal con

the people that have come to this country, ellis island and cents, came here for the american dream.n i see kamala harris and the democrats on stage, they are reeling trying to destroy the american dream. i think the people are seeing it. i love the american dream. people work their way through school. they create something and they want to give us their family, so their family can be better than they were. you start with nothing, you never get anything. you need anything because the cover gives you anything. you have nothing to leave. that's not the american experience. that's not the american story. you see playing out. those people in hong kong, this is like the jewish families tried to get their children out of germany when they knew the end was coming. you will see these chinese families, the wealthy ones who can afford it, trying to get their kids to america. like cuba, get your family to america. this is the american story. this is not a socialist country. this is not a place that kamala harris gets to carve out for the future or anyone else. this is the american story and it'

ideological change in what the country, this country was founded on, and for many many years, at ellis island and elsewhere was known for and it is a shift, and it is a shift in keeping with the ideology of this president, which is different. >> and ask any immigrant, without being sappy, ask my parents, most immigrants, whenever you talk about people who love this country the most, it is immigrants because they realize how special, how fortunate they are to be in this country. they obviously left a country where they came from, for a reason, for a better life. to be slapped in the face, we're not going to provide services for you to make your life in america, i think that's upsetting for a lot of immigrants. >> how will this play in wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania, ohio, given that we're practically in an election year year, how will a move like this play. it would be something the president would want to run on. >> there's a great tradition of immigrants resettling in the midwest. my grandparents came from greece, to youngstown, ohio, there is an immigrant tradition in living memory. you

. >> the notion we have, sort of the notion -- the picture we have of our country on ellis island, kind of poor looking, right? there is the italian wave, the jewish wave, the irish wave, the different generations of waves all coming with basically a bag full of clothes, maybe. >> you come here, you're poor, you don't have any advantages you work hard. >> the german wave. >> you succeed, you get rich. it's not that you come here and get richer. you come here rich and get richer. jonathan is right. it's not subtle. it's also not surprising because donald trump has talked for a long time wanting to go to a merit-based system, merit-based meaning you get points for being better educated, having more money. congress has been completely uninterested in doing that. he is now trying to do that administratively. >> before the kennedys came along, they were elite, but they had some sense of what it was like to be immigrants. some sense. and they changed the law. it wasn't a quota. it wasn't northern europeans. the law used to be if you have a lot of people like germans, a lot of english people,

he describes el paso as a modern day ellis island. how do you make sense of what's going on?it's horrific to just understand something like this could actually happen here. we've never been under siege this bad by a local, homemade terrorist. >> reporter: the wound left on this city by the massacre of 22 people by a white supremacist has unleashed a wave of intense emotions. this parking lot corner by the walmart is a place for thousands to share in their grief. >> i wanted to pay my respects to the people who passed away at my walmart. it's hitting hard. >> reporter: as we rode the el paso street car talking with 37-year-old rene, he felt a sense of optimism the shooting will not change the core spirit of the place he was born and raised. >> we have a very strong sense of family values. >> reporter: does this shatter that sense of security that you have here? >> no, i don't think so. we're a safe community because the majority of the people have that respect for one another. they don't cross those boundaries. >> reporter: and, wolf, the one thing you hear over and over from

we're proud to be the modern ellis island of our country.'re going to continue to be that despite the tragic situation. despite the white nationals that come in and attack our community. we'll continue to be open to immigrants. >> state representative cesar blanco. thank you for joining us. >> you bet. thank you. >>> just ahead, we'll have more on what the president is doing and saying in el paso. how it is playing in that grieving community. they give us excellent customer otservice, every time.e. our 18 year old was in an accident. usaa took care of her car rental, and getting her car towed. all i had to take care of was making sure that my daughter was ok. if i met another veteran, and they were with another insurance company, i would tell them, you need to join usaa because they have better rates, and better service. we're the gomez family... we're the rivera family... we're the kirby family, and we are usaa members for life. get your auto insurance quote today. woman 1: i had no symptoms of hepatitis c. man 1: mine... man 1: ...caused l

when they used to come in through ellis island, one of the first things they would have to show is i'm not going to become a public charge, meaning i'm not going on welfare. i think this is good. immigration, yes. welfare, no. >> i think this is consistent with president trump's push for merit-based immigration which by the way the majority, 63% of the people polled by gallup agree that people should be allowed into this country based on education, ability to supply a talent to the country and other sort of means of that sort. yes, this is part of that overall concept. i think it probably is a good idea. it isn't a brand new idea, by the way. it is simply a rule-based kind of definition of how we're looking at people getting green cards. >> here's my concern, first of all, people have been here. immigrants have to be here for years before they qualify for these programs >> that's not true. that's the problem. >> people don't just show up and begin collecting welfare. >> they do. >> we want people to -- a lot of immigrants that come here. they take the jobs where they pay low wages. we

ellis island to honor all those men and women who came to our nation for a better life.o 9/11 memorial first responder statue and honor all the men and women who lost their lives on 9/11. steve: how long is this going to take. >> a little over two hours. brian: did you know that? ainsley: you are the toughest that is critical is in. >> we founded after one of my best friends was killed. none of us who were the founders were veterans at all. we just knew we wanted to give back to the community. we think that's what's super important getting civilians involved. that's how we can support these men and women get civilians involved. get them engaged and help support them in whatever they may need. veterans homeless. raising money here. veterans starting their own businesses. veterans looking for jobs. we are advocating for veterans in every single way. ainsley: what's your stroke. >> five stroke. ains. steve: pete hegseth has been dispatched to cincinnati where they had the big rally last night. pete, you have something you would like to inject into this conversation, right?

what happened in 1965 when northern european immigration that we all saw back dating back to the ellis islandlly, comparatively plummeted. >> yes and we can see that shift towards sort of a case where we again, favor some of the more european and canadian comic countries like that, majority white countries. and disfavor some of the nonwhite countries. it could really create a complete shift in the makeup of the nation as we know it. but again, for now and this role goes to a number of legal challenges, i think the biggest and there will be a political one. democratic presidential contenders will use this to reinvigorate a conversation around immigration. and again, accused donald trump on the campaign trail but this is been a motivator for the trump basis is a positive issue for him in another piece where he can say i'm delivering on what i promise. which is, to lower immigration and make sure that those immigrants are coming to the u.s. are really contributing to society.eric: and their productive and not sponging off of the public i guess. you'll be here a lot because you're based in des mo

el paso is the modern ellis island.ts come here because el paso is a beacon of hope for those distressed in our country, like new york city was in the early 1900s. it would be an easy target for the extrem we will continue to be a welcoming community for all immigrants around the world. and let them know that el paso is great because of our tradition. our community -- i am the grandson of immigrants, who served in the military honorab e honorably. we will continue to be this kind of city regardless of these acts. >> for people who don't knnoel paso, there's a heartbeat of that city that's provided by both sides of the international border in juarez and el paso. you pointed out, a safety story, and says, you know, when you're looking south from el paso, you don't know where el paso ends and juarez begins. >> that's right, ali. the river separates el paso and juarez, our culture and familiar ties binds us. we would spend time with our aunts and uncles. we are a tight-knit brother/sister community with mexico and juarez. s

starting at liberty state park in jersey city swimming near the statue of liberty and going to ellis islands a long ways to go for just the first leg. >> do you see the guy with the cap on? jedediah: the white cap. griff: that's pete. jedediah: right in the middle there. go, pete! >> much respect to the navy seals. that's all that i have to say. >> you did such a good job. there was a little bit of a struggle by the statue of liberty there. what was happening? pete: they say for purposes of time i got towed a little bit of the way. i think it was mercy. this man here he said grab my shorts and let me swim, and i just grabbed them. >> it's all about teamwork right? pete: do i have it in me to finish it like based on what you saw firsthand? >> well my good army friend there is the reason that we're the premier maritime force in the world. >> let's do it! >> how are you feeling after leg two? pete: better. lost all my confidence in leg one, but with the current and the guys i'm swimming with, this one was doable and the back drop you're staring at the statue of liberty. my man was saying how d

in this country, they should come the right way, my great grandparents came from poland through ellis islandame in this country the right way and did not try to sneak in. they came here to try to make a better life. host: if you want to see the debates we will air them again, the first saturday morning at 10:30 in the morning and the morning ate sunday 10:30 as well and you can see and find out more information at the website. mike in colorado, line for democrats. caller: good morning. i would like to remind everybody in the united states that all of these rat infested slums are owned by donald trump, his associates, and his friends, and they are all white. host: monica in bel air, maryland, also line for democrats. caller: i want to make a comment. i am glad president trump is continuing to assault elijah cummings because it shows the type of manner and his character. cummings is ignoring him and going about his job. there are other things more important. host: of the other things more important, what is the top of the list? caller: the top of the list right now for americans is health care

tens of thousands of people were turned away there at ellis island because they were deemed to be public charges or likely to be public charges in the future. we are now filtering for that again when people seek green cards. the border patrol will do it at points of entry. the state department will do it when people seek visas. but that is a long historical standard and it's a tradition in this country, stuart, and of course, you know the process itself, having gone through that yourself, and at the green card point, my agency will be screening for people's ability to sustain themselves on their own without government assistance. stuart: ken cuccinelli, thank you very much for joining us on an extremely busy day. let me refer your attention to the big board because we have slipped a little further south. we are hitting new lows. as of right now we will open with a loss of, what, 460 points for the dow, 145 for the nasdaq, on the way down at the opening bell. >>> mortgage debt hit an all-time high, surpassing the numbers we saw just ahead of the financial crisis. separately, the white hou

island, i carried my costume. i taught at the school for ellis. as i left in tears the students and the teacher said, the african knows of michael jordan, but he doesn't know you. nobody let us tell our story over those 400 years of our people. you have to think about that. final point, there are probably only 200 actual tapes of people who were enslaved now in the national archives. there's not many. in my right? there are not many. so, we did the best we could, and i am doctor ishmael conway this is my wife and we were both interpreters and we took the work on with the stage company and we spent a career interpreting. and i'm very proud and honored to be here. [ clapping ] >> first of all i would like to say, this has been a real eye opening experience for me. my wife and i moved here to williamsburg because of your story. we did not have a clue, i grew up all over the united states in one of the all-time strangest places i've ever lived was mississippi. i was nine years old and didn't understand and now i get a sense of what the was going on be

island that epstein owned, to doing a raid on the compound and grabbing more evidence as part of their investigation is continuing. john. >> thank you for that reporting. joining us is cnn legal analyst, ellie honing. a former federal prosecutor in new york. i know you spent a lot of time as a visitor, not are resident. this report suggests this morning there's a stretching, the staff there is a bit stretched thin, overworked, how much of an excuse is that really. >> it's not an excuse at all in this situation, john. staffing shortages are a thing across the country. it's the shoe for a reason. the inmates are the highest priority, highest sensitivity inmates. they are usually there because they're in some kind of danger to themselves, from others, to others. as you have said, i have spent a lot of days in or near the shoe talking to potential witnesses and i can tell you it's not a physically big space. it doesn't require an army of guards to patrol it effectively. two to me seems awfully light, especially if one is not a full corrections officer. you can adequately and fully staff the shoe with really not too heavy an expenditure of resources. this is really an inexplicable failure. >> sm