so we get on this boat to go to ellis island. the clouds are looming over us.ple in bright yellow ponchos sitting in front of us. and yet somehow everything still feels so beautiful and atne point on the ferry ride, he turns to me and says, (speaking farsi)-- "i have fallen in love with america." he asked if it's okay for us to take a photo to remember the moment, and i'm like, "yeah, sure, just do it fast," because it really looks like it's about to pour. and so he's like, "let me ask, i think i know how to ask in english." and soe leans into the couple in front of us. he has an accent, but it's very clear what he's trying to say. "es-queeze me." no response. "es-queeze me." no response. he lightly taps them. "es-queeze me." and i'm sitting there thinking maybe they don't understand him, or maybe they can't hear him. and so i'm like, "let me help, let me chime in with my american tongue." and i'm like, "excuse me, would you mind just taking a photo..." and the woman's neck twitches, and she slightly turns right, as if to almost acknowledge us. but she's interc

host: bill on twitter asks " is there any modern equivalent to an ellis island type facility?" guest: the biden administration hasn't. the concept is that the statue of liberty is more like the tsa. we will screen you. when we understand that most of the people in the asylum system are very young, when i was 16 or 17, it is difficult to make a legal case when you do not have an attorney representing you. we have 16,000 attorneys now. the system needs to be set up more equitably. we need to make sure people have the representation they need to matriculate to the system. the biden administration has the policy but it is not the statue of liberty welcoming you. more the vetting. host: let's hear from ron in pennsylvania, independent line. caller: i believe that this whole border issue is an e immigration problem that is solely race-based. no problem accommodating ukrainian refugees because they are white! anyone of color is not welcome in america, and that is how it is. in poland, they are accommodating and welcoming the ukrainian refugees. but there was a lot of publicist he abou

it's not that everyone is going through ellis island. some of the numbers have been so huge because there hasn't been any control because they are overwhelmed. imagine if at the beginning of covid we did not have trump's wall, we did not have the established security at the border, and what we would have had in california, in the southwest, was people pouring into the country not just from south and central america but from around the world as we do now. you know what the danger is, what we don't know and who is coming in from other countries who aren't vaccinated for anything, whether its tb or other thing. >> harris: we're taking care of them as a country because we're that great. we'll do that. i don't mean greatness like pat yourself on the back. greatness by the effect we can have. >> taking away title 42 has invited more of a push to come to the border. that conversation itself regardless of what they do will show up when it ends. >> harris: thank you for getting me started and tying it in in the mask mandating situation. i don't h

has always been a part of our immigration system for many many years my parents immigrated to ellis islandhy now would we ever consider allowing immigrants to come in illegally with potential diseases, and i'm not just worried about covid charles. i'm talking about antibiotic resistant diseases, tuberculosis and hiv, help a tight us and other strains of flu and that sort of thing so we really need to take that into consideration. charles: i haven't seen you in a long time but i've seen you on tv and i saw when you were in ukraine. we're hearing more reports of perhaps mass graves near mariupol, even that would dwarf the numbers from bucha. just what your thoughts are as the ukrainian people continue their fight. >> you know, it's heartbreaking when i was there in lviv just to see the death and the destruction and so many ukrainian refugees fleeing their homes because they were being bomb and some of them sadly couldn't leave because they were too injured or lost their lives but you know what was so beautiful is to see how strong and resilient they are and it's so important that we continue

. >> and at the age of 11, madeleine arrived at ellis island on the boat is as america comes united states become the country where she would make history. madeleine inherited an interest in love affair from her father, a former czech diplomat and esteemed professor. she earned a degree in political science at wellesley college. here, madeleine made what she called the most important decision of her life. she decided to become a naturalized u.s. citizen. she raised three daughters while studying to earn a phd from columbia university. after working in washington political circles for over a decade, she stepped onto the world's stage in 1993 as the u.s. permanent representative to the united nations. >> at this time of turmoil and hope this assignment is a major challenge. >> at the u.n. she knew how to win over allies and when necessary need of the opposition. >> there is a poem that came out in the newspapers in baghdad that compared me -- i wore it when we talked about iraq and i felt this is fun, so i went out and i bought a bunch with people so what are going to do today? i said read m

schooled by american teachers and taught about george washington, but not slavery taught about ellis island, but not angel island in san francisco where chinese immigrants were detained pulled by this mythology and pulled by this yearning to be a colonist and not colonized and then sort of reckoning with that now that i am part of the empire now that i myself am a colonist. what does that mean? what does that mean for america is kind of future now that we are a nation filled with formally colonized people. so that's basically it kind of brings us to the present and excited to kind of chat with you all about all these things. now the birth terrific books and the one thing i wanted to to start with is this this last point you made albert about us in the present the united states and the present being a nation filled with formally colonized people you make a note in the book of 1965 when lyndon johnson signed the big immigration law, which liberalized american immigration policy is sort of turn the clack clack turn the clock back on the 1924 johnson reed act which had put a big clamp down on i

host: bill on twitter asks " is there any modern equivalent to an ellis island type facility?" guest: the biden administration hasn't. the concept is that the statue of liberty is more like the tsa. we will screen you. when we understand that most of the people in the asylum system are very young, when i was 16 or 17, it is difficult to make a legal case when you do not have an attorney representing you. we have 16,000 attorneys now. the system needs to be set up more equitably. we need to make sure people have the representation they need to matriculate to the system. the biden administration has the policy but it is not the statue of liberty welcoming you. more the vetting. host: let's hear from ron in pennsylvania, independent line. caller: i believe that this whole border issue is an e immigration problem that is solely race-based. no problem accommodating ukrainian refugees because they are white! anyone of color is not welcome in america, and that is how it is. in poland, they are accommodating and welcoming the ukrainian refugees. but there was a lot of publicist he abou

sailed with her mother past the statue of liberty, into ellis island. fleed hitler and then stalin and communism. mika, you were in the room, at the national cathedral yesterday. stirring speeches, of course, by the boldfaced names, but also by her daughters. i thought those speeches were incredibly moving. you got a chance to speak later at an event at the institute of peace, where there is a hall named for madeleine albright who, as i say, spent her life living out the dream that she and her mother had to find freedom and to ensure it for other people around the world. >> it was truly an amazing day. by the end of this event at the institute for peace, we were all exhausted but in a really good way. where you felt so inspired by madeleine's legacy. you had leaders and foreign ministers from all around the world, from georgia, from kosovo, from belarus, and, of course, the czech republic. madeleine albright, of course, refugee from czechoslovakia. it was one of those events where you really felt caught up in the moment. joe, i'll tell you, i spoke afte

however, they came into ellis island, like many, many people. they assimilated, they naturalize.here is a system we have in place. it should be followed. my heart goes out to the border patrol and law enforcement of our country. you have to be an absolute patriot to one to go into either of those professions today my hat is off to them. host: thank you for all of you who participated in this first hour of the program. we will shift topics earthly for one segment, talking about events in russia and ukraine. running us is the former nato secretary-general to talk about the current efforts of nato, russia-ukraine. we can talk to him in the next segment, coming up. later, we have a member of the congressional hispanic caucus. we will earn about their meeting earlier with president biden on topics like immigration and student loan forgiveness. first, i want to show you a portion from madeleine albright's funeral at the washington cathedral yesterday. you will hear president biden paying tribute. pres. biden: there are just so many things that i remember. she was always interested in a

they came here to ellis island. they had to health checks.ll create a medical catastrophe. not to mention it will overwhelm the border patrol agents. we need to look at the big picture. stopping title 42 saying there is no more disease. that is not the case. it makes no sense. rachel: i have heard nothing from dr. fauci on this. why do you think? >> you know, there must be some other alternative motive, some ulterior agenda but i know from a medical per speck it will bring more disease in the community it will overwhelm the health care system t will contribute to the spread of other diseases the we need to take a step back, take a look, why are we doing this? it will expire in may. what happened in may of last year? we had a delta outbreak. will we see illegal immigrants unvaccinated, not being tested, what do they come in and potentially bring in a new variant. so these are things when he need to take into consideration. rachel: absolutely. public health really matters. talk about another thing. you got back from ukraine. you were providing

island and interested in getting down to those archives myself. thank you very much. john scott next we're gonna turn to dr. ellie bartels. pleases the floor is yours. thanks. let's read so. i'm gonna pick up on some of the comments that were made and by both john and john scott to try to know about sort of what is that silence of the archives? what are general types of bias that we should be on the lookout for when when we're doing this sort of work and so it's maybe helpful to start with where i came in. i i started doing archival work after i had spent about a decade as a game designer. and so i ended up in the rand archive in new courts archive, you know coming into it as a game designer who worked for government doing my dissertation research and it was really informative to me to see where some of the gaps and scenes and patterns of missing information were and so i'm gonna talk just a little bit about some of where i think we sort of expect to see things that we should be sensitive to that may not be a parent from the archival materials in and of themselves. um, so you know first i think it's a useful to think abou