they seem daunting to any americans from the case of the ellis islanders. assimilate these northwestern europeans because they basically come from our culture but these other people's will never really be americans. i think that the country generally handle that successfully. as i have mentioned, i i don't think that the passage of the 1924 act which said country quotas on different countries proportionate to that country's contribution of the american population of 1890 in 1890, in other words ellis islanders need not apply. i don't think it was critical may have been some marginal assistance for reasons stated. i do think that our problems with immigration today are in many ways offspring of the 1924 act and subsequent acts of congress that i've had other results. continue to occur internal migration. immigrant migration. the 1924 i 1924 i gave us family reunification provisions. why was that true? constituents that were ellis islanders. my constituents may want collateral relatives to come in. and then when we passed the 1965 immigration act sponsored on

. -- a training period like ellis island, one of them is going to come out the other end a formidabledidate. that's what happened to ronald reagan. he changed dramatically because he responded to politics. these people will too. they are going to be great candidates reflecting the public will. >> thank you for doing this interview. we want to see you draw your famous curve on a napkin for us, so come to new york. you show us your curves and we'll show you ours. after the break, again show hokey music, and pimm fox. we will be right back. ♪ >> welcome, welcome. are you ready to play "this, that, or the other thing"? i'm pimm fox. it is time to meet our contestants. they never change. our first contestant is mark, he is a former news producer for abc news. he also enjoys traveling to japan welcome. our second contestant is john. he enjoys playing 1980's arcade games. all right, gentlemen, let's play "this, that, or the other thing." question number 1 -- john, who is more likely to jump in the race if hillary clinton doesn't run? number one, joe biden, number two, john kerry, or number t

well, you look back with ellis island. a number of law said, this is our immigration policy. it has just been very dysfunctional. we have had a legal process. the illegal process has been found to be more advantageous to many people. so they go that route. greta: boulder, colorado. a democratic caller. caller: yes, i'm just interested why we hear hardly anything about enforcing laws on our corporations. and why in arizona, through the first year of these recess, they only have 76% compliance and no penalties were assessed or enforced. even if they were, i doubt it would serve as any deterrent to most of the corporations companies, and small businesses that hire undocumented workers to begin with. i tell you, i would think it is easiest for us to enforce laws on our own people, more than two punish people who are guilty. most of them have nothing more than wanting to work harder to improve the lives of them and their families. representative meadows: when you look at the whole immigration debate, it can get very emotional. i know some of the callers have said that it can't, bu

i want to know what is different with ellis island and now?y did something back then but now they are fighting. it is not fair. these people are human beings like everybody else. it can be fixed. host: what you make of her comparison? guest: i do know how much of a difference there is with ellis island because back then there was opposition to any wave of immigrants that was coming over. this is a country that has with every wave of immigrants that we have had from every part of the world, there has been very sharp low back. there has been sharp hesitance and that feeling that we are here now so ok that is it. the rest of you stay back there. the faces have changed. the nationalities and linkages have changed. this is a country that has always welcomed immigrants, and that is how the country was founded and built. there has always been that strain in this country saying enough is enough and we don't need anymore. the backlash that undocumented immigrants are facing today is similar to what was happening 200 years ago. host: here is a tweet fro

prison jumpsuits, for example, for their duration of the state whether it was at angel island or ellis island. i think what the chairman said is very important and i think it is important for you to articulate to us that if the administration chooses to at least have this interdiction policy for families, they should at least realize that because they are families and there is a different way that we should deal with it, that there is a -- it should provide other safeguards for these families that perhaps -- you hate to single out anything, but for this one i think it is warranted because of these extraordinary circumstances. if the administration has the ability. we need your help in looking at the law to help us formulate these positions to provide for on-site aljs that includes a right -- a right to counsel, not just -- and ability to have counsel but a right to counsel that may be subsidized or paid for with federal dollars. because we truly are interested in doing an expedited process than do it fairly. s it shouldn't be a one-way process where basically someone looks at you for a couple

prison jump suits for example, for their duration of the stay whether it was at angel island or ellis island. i think what the chairman said is very important and i think it is important for you to articulate to us that if the administration chooses to at least have this interdiction policy for families they should at least realize that because they are families and there is a different way that we should deal with it that there is a -- it should provide other safeguards for these families that perhaps -- you hate to single out anything but for this one than do it fairly. . shouldn't be a one-way expedited process where basically someone looks at you for a couple days you come in, you're scared of this person who's in whatever outfit. you're in your orange jumpsuit. you don't know what's happened in the past few weeks or months while you've been waiting, then your fate has decided. it has to be a better and even playing field if we're going to be true to those things that in our country we have always been true to in terms of family immigration to these united states. so we need your help in