why i think ali often i think i think of them like daniel ellsberg daniel ellsberg you know was and they tried to put him away for a long time in prison they tried the you the new york times for it for releasing the truth about how the vietnam war was started how we were lied into that war and i think people now who are people now are trying to tell us the truth about what happened in iraq and afghanistan they should be seen more as heroes because you take a guy like snowden he knows exactly what he was up to and he knows the you know the danger of it and but he believed i sincerely believe although i've never met him that he was convinced that he was doing a service to the people by doing this and we shouldn't be calling people like this traitors i i think we don't have enough whistleblowers and we should pay more attention to our laws of whistle blowing that when people tell us the truth they should be called traitors but this is characteristic of an empire our you know if treason in an empire is when you tell the truth if you tell a law that supports the empire and we live in an age w

the today so assuming that what ellsberg was describing was at least a reasonable environment in which to be practicing journalism how do we recapture that if we've become so unreasonable. well i think that you recapture with courage . you know this nine eleven post syndrome at some point is going to go away but it won't be tomorrow won't be next year and the only way that you're going to recapture the spirit is to be highly courageous now with respect to the times. in my to arm i thought it was courageous that's what i say in in the book and of course sometimes i had a lot more money than say the new york times today has the new york times is getting its courage back but it did hold a story that is similar to snowden's for a year. for which james rise and finally got the pulitzer prize it was all about the wiretapping done by the n.s.a. and one doesn't like to see those things happen because you're but you by out of the pressure of the times and you have to think about press freedom as something that's goes on a straight line and that doesn't when we get in bad times for the nation na

audience who called for change the former congressman presidential candidate ron paul plus daniel ellsberg the original government leaguer forty years ago with a pentagon take and is now supporting n.s.a. leaker edward snowden it's all next on politicking with larry king. on the politicking on larry king we start the program with the former congressman and presidential candidate ron paul an old friend he joins us from clute texas where he does his shows for the recently launched ron paul channel on the internet and he's the father of the current united states senator and possible presidential .

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what edward snowden did to be quite heroic, just like i consider what chelsea manning did, daniel ellsbergerest to come forward and brine transparency to the united states government. that to me is what journalism is about and we need that in the united states. i absolutely do defend what edward snowden does and i don't pretend otherwise. >> in your conversations with him, glenn, has he told you what his plans are? do you expect him to be in russia within the next year as you look forward? >> his asylum is temporary asylum for one year. in it has another eight months to go. it's been in the news recently that he has spoken about the prospect of obtaining asylum from other countries or russia as well. he wants to make sure the united states government doesn't apprehend him and put him in prison for the next 40 years and we'll never hear from him again. i think his goal is political asylum, germany, brazil, russia, that remains to be seen. that's still debated. >> based on the fact he's coming out and speaking out in these videos, what can we anticipate in this coming year? will we hear more