daniel ellsberg nose what edward snowden is going through. he was the first whistleblower prosecuted, the source for the papers, which in 1973 which revealed a different picture of the vietnam war, which was unwinnable as americans were told. in 1975 when the last american soldiers were airlifted out of the ellsberg was credited with helping to end the war. he faced legal consequences for blowing the whistle. ellsberg, in his 80s, reemerged from retirement in california as ab advocate for those that want to get the truth out, and spend the past week on a 4-city whistle-stop tour in support of whistle blowers. we sat with him in london. daniel ellsberg, it's nice to have you on "listening post". we tried to get new the chair before, it's taken a while. >> glad to be here, thank you >>> can we start to winding back to the first time you opened a newspaper, went online and flipped on the television and saw the edward snowden. take me back to that day, and tell me whether you saw a little doing? >> very much. i identify strongly with edward snowd

ellsberg turned against the war, and he copied these papers with the hope that eventually they woulds an awful lot of people and which would show that we had made a terrible mistake. fighting this war in vietnam. >> starting with the ellsberg story front page. >> i think kissinger was obsessed with secrecy and so was nixon. my first three articles were published. and the nixon administration then wanted to stop the whole thing. >> my argument inside was, if you want to make the case against the pentagon papers, get up and charge "the new york times" with publishing national security secrets, gross irresponsibility, and sabotaging the war in vietnam. >> the justice department went to court in new york today and got a temporary order restraining the "times" from publishing the next and last two installments. >> attorneys for "the new york times" claim the protection of the first amendment which embodies the concept of the freedom of the press as sufficient to protect their memorandums. >> the supreme court ruled that "the new york times" may continue to publish the secret pentagon pape

breaking into the office of daniel ellsberg, spying on teddy kennedy.utting spies in the enemy cap. -- camp. stealing papers. when j edgar hoover said i'm not going to do this anymore, which he did in 1970. he said no more black bag jobs. dixon set up the crew that he called the plumbers. but crowe, gordon leddy hunt ex-cie and ex-a and ex-fbi guys. the plumbers were there to stop the leaks. they tormented every president but none more than nick. charlie: it seemed that he was a man that felt grievance and he felt like those people had an advantage. the kennedys had something. they did it to me, i will do it to them. he felt almost justification to do what he wanted to do. evan: bobby kennedy audited nixon three times. nixon abused the irs, but he wasn't the first. he had this view of the kennedys that they were better at dirty tricks than he was. he kept saying, why can't we do it as well as they do it? he exaggerated, but the candidates were not bad at dirty tricks. bobby kennedy did a lot more wiretapping than richard nixon did. including martin luth

breaking into the office of daniel ellsberg, spying on teddy kennedy. spying on senator at muskie.utting spies in the enemy camp. stealing people's papers. and when j edgar hoover said i'm , not going to do this anymore which he did in 1970. he said no more black bag jobs. that is when next and set up the crew that he called the plumbers. bud crowe, gordon liddy, hunt, ex-cia and ex-fbi guys. the plumbers were there to stop the leaks. links torment every president but none more than nixon. charlie: it seemed that he was a man who felt aggrieved meant and he felt like those people had an advantage. the kennedys had something. at every stage, he said, they did it to me. i will do it to them. what the system had done to him he felt almost justification to , do what he wanted to do. evan: that's true. he did have a grievance. bobby kennedy audited nixon three times. next and was not the first person to abuse the irs. he abuse the irs a lot but he , wasn't the first. you're right nixon had this view of the kennedys that they were better at dirty tricks than he was. he kept saying, why c

the same thing happen with daniel ellsberg. he is now widely regarded as a hero.n is surveillance, not edward snowden. this will be the first time in the post-9/11 era that we take away powers from the government rather than give them more power. that is critical. tom: can rand paul use this as a constructive political exercise? will the events of the last 24 hours benefit his campaign? glenn: yes, he is galvanizing a political debate. that is what presidential politics are supposed to be about. tom: glenn greenwald, thank you very much. i know you follow this much more. is this a seismic turning point at this moment? brendan: it is, but it is hard to disentangle. it is hard to figure out what is happening. tom: very good. brendan greeley, and glenn greenwald on the nsa. coming up, joel kurtzman joins us next. this is "bloomberg surveillance ." good morning. ♪ just because i'm away from my desk doesn't mean i'm not working. comcast business understands that. their wifi isn't just fast near the router. it's fast in the break room. fast in the conference room. fast