i did not find any correspondence on this but die know -- i do know his mother was eloise steiner, and her father was a very wealthy textile merchant in the south. there are streets and boulevards named in their honor. i couldn't find anything about that, but i would be very surprised if they did not know about it or not -- >> on the issue of race the biggest this happeningment the fascinating thing is bozells influence. he was -- excuse the expression -- a fanatical hack. what was that -- buckley was, i would say, mainstream catholic, bozell was a much more aggressive catholic. the named his own magazine "triumph. >> yes, and formed his own resistance to the abortion movement, and in several of his relatives were arrested outside abortion clinics. >> so a lot stronger on issues of racial justice than buckley and is pushing buckley -- >> a lot of it was push, pulp from bozell, push from what was going on with the violence, and a lot of it was pull and a lot of it was prayer and reflection, and his mother throws her hands up, i've never had a question like this, i have to pray on this.