i have learned through my experience with elsie lewis that you find a senior person, who looks at youin a positive way, and you try to, and i did not know the word mentoring so much then. you just try to keep track of them and let them know you are around. unfortunately elsie lewis developed alzheimer's and that was tragic for me because she used to write recommendations and do things for me, but after a while she couldn't. .. i was amazed that he -- that's kind of a little -- litter a kind of i don't know what it is, but it was a very good idea. but we went to people like dorothy porter was another person sharon and i worked with all the time, and these folks were born in the early 20th century. so they were old enough to almost be over grandparents. i'm not going to see parents plan almost -- they were between let's say in grandparents and parents, and i think that's very important. so i understood how important it was to deal with my elders, and like what you're saying happened. a lot of young people today don't respect their elders, and i don't mean bad mouth them or whatever but