john lewis forgave him, after elwin wilson apologized. it took a really -- it takes a special kind of person to be able to do that, after someone beats you bloody. >> well, no, it doesn't. john lewis was the kind of person that did that all the time. i mean, you could abuse him in an argument, and he'd just smile and make you ashamed of yourself. and he would -- he would demonstrate that there was power in a spiritual confrontation. he never -- he never had an argument, and that's why everybody thought that julian bond would be the congressman because he was so articulate. but john would have simple, plain statements and then, when you come back at him with hostility or arrogance, he'd just sit there and smile. and many people underestimated that. in fact, all of us underestimates that. but that, in his life, was a genuine power, that helped change the world. >> i want -- let me just read this, and i'm going to get your reaction to it, congressman. this is -- this is from martin the 3rd, martin luther king the 3rd. and he said john lewis