maybe shame the government into finally doing something. >> emac? >> listen, sony banks its money on free speech and freedom of expression. we saw how brave hollywood was during the mccarthy hearings. we don't -- we're not in sony's shoes. by the way, both private and public sector had to step up after 9/11, and face this coming down the road. >> carrie, that's what happened. we all realize that since we were all tarts, not just soldiers in the battlefields, but civilians, we have to stand up as citizens and defend our rights. defend them personally. >> that's true. i actually used to work in the world trade center, after the attacks. it's important that civilians do show we are not going to stand for this. that said, if sewn hi gone and pushed through with this and there had been some attack, we would all say putting profits ahead of safety. frankly, i do -- >> i don't think they'd say that. >> no. i think -- >> go on, steve. >> an act of war, which this is already and finally deal with north korea the way it should be democrat, starting by putting