this is political grandstanding from rahm emanuel. country. >> no, it's not. >> lisa: yes it is. we're going to see lawsuit after lawsuit. similar to what republicans did to president obama on a variety of issues. particularly in regard to immigration. i think this is political grandstanding by rahm emanuel. he should be focusing on. >> kat: would you think the same thing if it was the president. >> lisa: hold on. i think he should be focusing on illegality mass amount of murders see instead of promoting additional lawlessness. >> eboni: fine enough for you to think that. >> kat: in his own city? >> eboni: lisa, i started with that, right? that doesn't take away a strong constitutional argument that is the basis for his suit. >> lisa: we're also talking about grant money and the federal government has a right. >> kat: congress does. that's how traditionally congress is supposed to be. if there is going to be conditions placed on grant money congress does that. not the executive branch. if we have a precedent set. conservatives might m

rahm emanuel is suing the trumpet ministration this week. his city wants to detect illegal immigrants. the white house wants to stop please stop to it by pulling the federal funding. larry, who is right here, federal versus state? >> never let a good crisis go to waste. this has nothing to do with centricity or even the important immigration reform but everything to do a chicago politics that is what he is doing here. he's had low approval ratings and struggled in the polls and the way to bolster a port is to pick a fight with the white house. trish: you think it will work here? legally speaking i wonder because doesn't the federal government have a responsibility to ensure everyone's safety and to ensure that we are a country with borders and why are they giving money to chicago so that chicago can basically fly in the face of that smart. >> is putting his political ambition ahead of the safety of the streets of chicago, ahead of the schools of chicago and his priority is only his political grandstanding here. we need to recognize that chic

why is rahm emanuel supporting it.e in his city. >> i think you have to sort of move the two hour. right? one chicago has a violent crime problem. and i think that is different from the fact that there is undocumented individuals living in chicago. right? and i think if you look at the welcoming city's law in chicago, what you find is that law says if you are -- if there is a warrant out for your arrest in chicago or if you have committed a violent crime in chicago, if you are arrested, you are reported to ice and you deporting procedures proceed as normal. with that being said, if you get a traffic ticket or if you don't pay your child support or if you, you know, shoplift from a macy's in chicago, and you are found in violation of a crime, you aren't aren't reported to ice. the reason for that has to do with the fact that in 2014, there was a federal case in portland, oregon, where a federal -- there was a case in portland, oregon where a federal judge said it is unconstitutional for illegal immigrant to be held for

is rahm emanuel mixing up priorities here?he trying to protect illegals at the expense of protecting people? >> it is quite ironic that mayor should say police should not be used political pawns exactly what the mayor is doing. he is subjecting police officers in his city and police officers in his cities or his city to unsafe environment. by not accepting, putting application for federal grant saying they should have this grant money to buy those police federal law they too could have access to money of these federal grants he is suing the administration over. lauren: joe, what is the reluctance not to work with the feds here and why isn't rahm emanuel talking about the murder rate that keeps going up and up in chicago? >> yeah i come from the school where you don't bite the hand that feeds you, this is exactly what happening here. these byrne grants not only hp police department but public defenders office and prosecutors with adjudication and corrections too. you know, i don't know what he is thinking about. i think we have

joining us for more is julian emanuel of ubs. julian emanuel: we think we will. we have.s, we have had a series of one-day wonders, where back in , theyou had the fix up 50% fbi director was let go, it came back. we think when you look at it, the catalysts are threefold. you've got to deal with the budget, you got to deal with the debt ceiling and then there is the fed. as we said earlier, that will develop in terms of discourse. a lot of the potentials here is if the fed does insist on hiking and ubs time in 2017 believes that is the case, the markets may not be prepared. alix: when people talk about why they like u.s. equities, they talk about the underlying micro fundamentals that when you talk about volatility, it is the mac wrote but the macro is not leading the micro or individual stocks. why is that going on the downside or upside? julian emanuel: you are at a point where, if we were at 17 or 16 times failing earnings as opposed to 20 times failing earnings, almost 19 times forward, or at a volatility level more consistent -- not even necessarily the average callin

rahm emanuel is a failed mayor.o be know fight. >> will not agree on that. not going to agree on that. we all know that is case. connell: won't give you a inch on anything. this lawsuit specifically with the sanctuary cities. >> yeah. but so he is failed mayor but with this lawsuit, this disingenuous because chicago's mayor is using sanctuary cities and people of chicago as a pawn, political fight. one he continues to lose. he has no record of accomplishments in chicago in terms of better the city, pushing it forward. look at every benchmark determine what is good mayor he gets an f. in addition to the violence in chicago completely out of hand. memorial day weekend my younger brother in a car with two of his friends on south side of chicago, two individuals walked up to the car, riddled with 25 bullets. thankfully my little brother lived. his best friend died in his arms. it is horrible situation. rahm emanuel is not focusing on residents safety versus protecting people potentially criminals. not everyone obviously

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chicago, rahm emanuel. this is a man that the president is helping with federal resources to deal with a runaway record number of homicides in his city, and rahm emanuel is a man who seems utterly indifferent to the public safety crisis he has, the moral crisis he has in the city and yet talking about defying sanctuary city provisions under the new administration. >> no better place in the country to make an example out of than chicago. the bottom line is the president did offer to help him. he's a terrible mayor, terrible chief of staff. lou: he's a terrible son of a gun. >> big ambitions beyond being mayor. lou: like what? what is he going to do? after you kill 700 people a year, what are you going to do? >> that's the measurement you and i should both make. i think he himself has a burning ambition to be bigger and better than the job of mayor. the critical thing is the president has to enforce sanctuary cities. you can't allow as we're shutting down the immigration to borders the criminals to go into ci

emanuel has fought back ever since. he says "chicago will not be blackmailed" and "will remain a welcoming city." the lawsuit is to be filed in federal court on monday. if the state loses, it stands to have billions of dollars in funding cut for things such as infrastructure and healthcare. (justine) we have learned new information tonight in the brutal killing of a hair stylist in chicago. the two murder suspects are in bay area jails tonight... waiting for their first court apperances this week... according to police, the attack so violent the blade of the knife believed to have been used in the stabbing was broken. reporter courtney gousman has the new details. authorities say a northwestern university professor arrested after eight days on the lam in a fatal stabbing in chicago is being closely watched in jail in california.northwestern microbiologist wyndham lathem surrendered late friday in the san francisco area. a second suspect, university of oxford finance officer andrew warren, surrendered separately also in

mayor rahm emanuel, let's begin with him. the question is what he rather posture for the liberal elites or enforce the law of the city and fix the city. they have a lot of problems in chicago. >> it has been a mess for a number of years. let's look at this, we have seen crime rates basically continue to climb, 2013, 230 murders dropping in 2014 and the spike begins, 2016, 2017, that is where we are at this point in the year. that is 400 right now so we are beating what i thought was an unbreakable record. we are ahead of it. it is incredible. >> compared to other big cities, chicago outraged in terms of the number of murders, these other big cities you today, chicago 400, in los angeles, 155. rob: beating two cities that are bigger than chicago. so it is a big problem. let's go to a soundbite from jonah goldberg, talking about what the problem is. >> i think sanctuary cities are terrible idea but i understand why first responders and police do worry about getting cooperation out of these communities. you can respect that reas

chicago mayor rahm emanuel says his city will not be blackmailed. mayor emanuel: it will not be challenged and this is one of many things. the trump administration has been very clear that they narrowed the focus but this is the camel's nose under the test. melanie: at issue is chicago's holding those suspected to be undocumented immigrants in jail for up to 48 hours so immigration officers can pick them up. the department of justice issued a statement accruesing -- accusing mayor emanuel protecting criminal aliens and putting law enforcement at greater risk. executives are calling an internet rumor claimed the plain to give discounted drinks immigrants on august 11. coming up next -- more pictures coming in closely monitoring the situation in san antonio, texas. a water rescue happening right now. these are live pictures and we'll have much more coming up this hour. also ahead, rescue by committee. mowed down by a car, a man is pulled from beneath by a bunch of strangers. we'll get more on this incredible video coming up. plus, an all out manhunt f

rahm emanuel has very thin ice to stand on.ce the money that is flowing to chicago is coming from the last year of the obama administration budget, which did not include the condition you will help immigration enforcement, he has very strong ground to stand on. so once the case is litigated, i think he wins and the trump administration loses. but, until the trump administration actually stops sending the money, there is no basis for a lawsuit. >> dana: why do you think they would be successful? is it because of the way our system is set up that the state and logical governments have some discretion. >> yes. >> dana: as to what they are going to do. >> yes. it's because of the number of supreme court cases which basically say the federal government can't cam man deer the states. it can't come in there and say chicago police you are now going to work for us. even though work for us is minimal. it's sharing of data. the city of chicago has the right to spend its money and direct its police however it wants. they are not required t

emanuel, then that would apply to the immigration laws would need.ongress established what those laws are. and you do not want to follow them. if you ever noticed, these objections around. he uses the word immigrant. half the businesses in chicago and illinois are from immigrants. okay, we are not arguing about immigrants. we are arguing about it against his illegal immigration. people will follow the laws in those waiting behind our borders, respecting the laws are made to feel like you are a bunch of fools for doing the right thing. >> trish: there is a distinction. thank you so much, sheriff. >> think to see you. >> trish: stocks move higher today. another big, big day with the dow and s&p closing a new all-time highs. ninth straight record close for the dow. the 25th record close since the start of the year. we have a whole lot more on "caboodle: coast-to-coast calls we will see here. is a shared threat putting leaks on lockdown? since jeff sessions has cracked on. one of those guys with him is here. in 200 days and peered congress out and no maj

you never see rahm emanuel do that.ing the city of chicago may be the first, but i am confident we will not be the last. and in insinuation that things are going so well, he will make his point and other cities will follow suit, do you think that will happen? >> richard: i think you have to look at the welcoming. the city of chicago, the welcoming city's ordinance is what they passed, so the welcome city ordinance which is what jeff sessions is complaining of her, saying that if you are a rusted and you happen to be an illegal alien or undocumented? >> harris: if you are here illegally, you are already breaking the law. >> richard: that's fair, they are asking you to keep that person for an additional 48 hours. if they have not, let me just read it so that i have it right. if there is not a warrant out for their arrest already or they have committed -- a serious criminal conviction or a criminal out for their arrest, the city of chicago will not hold them over, because that is above violation of their fourth amendment r

rahm emanuel says the doj's plan to withhold crime fighting money for those cities amounts to blackmail. conditions to receive the funds include allowing immigration agents access to local jails. emanuel says he won't let that happen. >> chicago will not let our police officers become political pawns in a debate. chicago will not let our residents have their fundamental rights isolated and violated and chicago will never relinquish our status as a welcoming city. >> chicago received more than $3 million last year. emanuel calls the justice department's policy misguided. >>> the search for three american marines missing off the coast of australia shifted from rescue to recovery mode. 23 marines survived after their the weekend while trying to land during routine operations. one of the missing has been identified as benjamin cross. he was a resident of maine. the osprey which lands like a helicopter but flies like an airplane has been involved in a number of crashes. >>> a massive cleanup effort under way in oklahoma after a powerful tornado tore a path through tulsa. it had winds topping

. >> ninan: the congregation of charleston's emanuel a.m.e. is still hazelling from a white supremacist attack two years ago that left nine people dead. chip reid spoke to the members of the church about last week's deadly violence in charlottesville. >> and i thank god for his-- who said it? grace. >> reporter: at mother emanuel church in charleston, the healing will never end. >> everything that went on is going to continue to go on. we have to break that cycle. >> reporter: parishioners here know how hate can impact a community, but they continue to preach forgiveness, despite the wounds that were ripped open here over two years ago when dylann roof opened fire on a bible study class, much like this one. >> each time we come back here, we come back to a crime scene. we have to get through that every day. >> reporter: willie glee and cynthia amos have attended mother emanuel for years. the white supremacy march in charlottesville, did it bring back what happened here for you? >> so you have a nation that does a lot of talk about race, does a

. >> jon: chicago mayor rahm emanuel. a rare august tornado smashes into an oklahoma shopping district, leaving behind a trail of destruction. it's all happening now. you begin with this fox news alert, republicans taking stock of their agenda as the trump administration hits a major milestone. hello and welcome to the second hour of "happening now," i am jon scott. >> julie: i'm julie banderas. president trump marking 200 day since being sworn in, with republicans in control about the the house and the senate. the g.o.p. in the meantime laying out an ambitious to-do list and giving themselves a deadline of 200 days, but as we reach that timeline many other legislative goals remain in limbo including health care and tax reform. >> the two things that were at the top of the republican agenda in january when they took control of every branch of government are still on the to-do list. repealing and replacing obamacare and reforming the tax code. here is house speaker ryan explains her 200 day plan at the beginning of the yea

other people join rahm emanuel and back him up taking on donald trump and the federal government? ryan young in chicago for us. thank you. >>> up next, the secretary of state rex tillerson and russian counterpart sergey lavrov meet amid a knew sanctions bill. and going fishing. what's behind the release of the president's vacation photos? much more, right after this. you do all this research on a perfect car, then smash it into a tree. your insurance company raises your rates. maybe you should've done more research on them. for drivers with accident forgiveness, liberty mutual won't raise your rates due to your first accident. switch and you could save $782 on home and auto insurance. call for a free quote today. liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance. ... > >>> north korea! ing sanctions unanimously approved by the united states security council, threatening the u.s. with, quote -- there's no biggers mistake than the u.s. believing its land is safe across the ocean. fareed, what do you think of the latest sanctions all the other sanctions certainly have slowed do you

what rahm emanuel is proposing, i think it's not a solution.t thing in the world we ought to be doing is making it easier for illegal immigrants to remain in the united states after they come here illegally. >> bret: let's turn to venezuela. this is a president today, eyebrow raising statement perhaps. >> venezuela is a mess. a very dangerous mass and a very sad situation. i'm not going to rule out a military option. we have many options for venezuela. this is our neighbor, we are all over the world. we have troops all over the world in places that are very, very far away. venezuela is not very far away and their people are suffering and dying. we have many options for venezuela including a possible military option if necessary. >> that surprised me. if the president was not asked about a military option venezuela. he was asked about the situation there and the united states has gotten some good reviews, some of the things it's done lately, imposing sanctions on some prominent venezuelans. not allowing them to a financial dealings in the united

chip reid is outside emanuel ame in downtown charleston. mother emanuel. it's the oldest african methodist episcopal church in the south. they know heartache all too well but they also know how to forgive. >> i thank god for his -- you said it -- grace. >> reporter: at mother emanuel church in charleston the healing will never end. >> everything that went on is going to continue to go on. we've got to break that cycle. >> parishioners here know how hate can affect a community but they continue to preach forgiveness, despite the wounds that were ripped open over two years ago. >> this is a buz specicbs news report. witnesses say a gunman entered the emanuel ame church last night during a prayer meeting. he killed the pastor and eight parishioners. >> the world forgets that each time we come back here we come back to a crime scene. we have to get through that everyday. >> willie glee and cynthia amos have been parishioners at mother emanuel for years. the white supremacy march in charlottesville. did it bring back what happened here for you?

. >> chicago mayor rahm emanuel said it's illegal for the federal government to withhold public safetyrants from sanctuary cities like his where local police refuse to cooperate with immigration agents. >> chicago will not let our police officers become political pawns. >> the chicago lawsuit follows similar legal action in massachusetts, washington, oregon, and california where cities say they are being harmed by the threat of losing funds because they can't plan their budget. chicago says it stands to lose $3.2 million by the potential federal action. in san francisco, it's closer to hundreds of thousands of dollars. money that's attached to a promise to cooperate with federal immigration authorities, which sanctuary cities refuse to do. in fact, san francisco is reaffirming its sanctuary policy by paying this illegal immigrant $190,000. >> [speaking foreign language] >> why was i victimized. why did i become addicted to all this. >> 43-year-old salvador ran who has been living in san francisco for 10 years sued after police turned him over to immigration agents violating its own san

direct attack on you, mayor emanuel? you say?no, first of all, look, this year, we're already down city wide in shootings, and in englewood, one of our tougher neighborhoods on the south side, they're down 40% in shootings and over about 30% in homicides. so we are making progress. and one of the reasons commander johnson in the englewood community is doing so well, because he's working with the community in that trust effort. and that is a principle of community policing, which undermines and supports the whole philosophy of the police department. we are also a city with immigrants from all over the world, whether you cross the atlantic, the pacific, or the rio, to make your way or up the mississippi to make your way to chicago, we welcome you here. that is the culture of this city, not just historically, the culture of many cities throughout the united states, big, medium, and small. and we cannot be in a position where we have this false choice between the values of who we are and what we want our children to become. and also

lou: to sanctuary cities and de blasio, and rahm emanuel, and others.hey are going to fight for their illegal immigrants, and the hell with public safety of chicagoans. >> good luck with that. in 1996, congress passed a law. that made is illegal to be a sanctuary city. you have to cooperate with immigration officials, federal, because they have primacy under the se the supremeacey laws, it was obama's justice department that ruled under this law, you with hold federal funds, obama didn't do it. if he had kate steinl kate stainly would likely be alive today, he could do something more there is a different law that says, it is a felony to shield or harbor a illegal immigrant. and it is punishable by 5 years behind bars. lou: why isn't the trump justice department -- >> they should, i hav written columns encouraging them to use that law to begin prosecutor people like the officials in strants that le san francisco that let the illegal ilillegal immigrant free. lou: there is nothing more ridiculous b than watching mayor rahm emanuel talking about how he wil

this after chicago mayor rahm emanuel filed a lawsuit against the justice department monday claimingnds from sanctuary cities, if they don't comply with federal law enforcement is illegal and would hurt chicago effort to lower crime. according to a new homeland security report, nearly a quarter of all federal prisoners are illegal immigrants. they number about 42,000, all but 7 face deportation, meaning majority face deportation. joining me now, former florida congressman, retired through the lute wilcolonel, alan west. >> good to be with you. liz: 42,000 born ou outside of . they are here illegally, criminal illegal immigrants in prison system, but those in favor of sanctuary city policies how do they respond to these facts. >> they don't respond to numbers and facts, they are acting upon a ideological agenda and a politicize motive, they are the ones who are putting the american citizens at risk, and they are the ones putting the american citizens and citizens in their neighborhood in a less secure and less safe map or, may are saying, you can come here as an illegal alien criminal

. >> so that's chicago mayor rahm emanuel.y taking action against new federal regulations governing sanctiuary city. his city claiming the new rules are unauthorized and unconstitutional. the attorney general announced in late july that cities must agree to let federal immigration agents access local jails and give 48 hours notice before releasing certain people that the federal government might have their eye on. if they don't comply, those cities could lose millions in federal grant money. msnbc's mar anna aturns ois following this story. give us some context and some reaction. what are you hearing? >> chris, in chicago specifically, local lawmakers, immigrant organizations, are praising this latest lawsuit by rahm emanuel, saying it is a step in the right direction toward, quote, protecting our immigrant communities. there is a lot of fear on the ground over the undocumented population. i just got off the phone with a district where 40% of the population is undocumented and he says he's already seeing that tension between t

outraged increased as did demands for mayor emanuel to resign. out of fear of being labeled racist and facing lawsuits, police stop in for risk dropped by nearly 90%. in response, the police commissioned a panel made up of national experts, command staff, and city leaders. tasked with restoring trust between officers and citizens. >> what we are saying to the community's come join us. the table is open. >> at the start of this year, the group held town hall events. took recommendations from the department of justice, faith-based leaders and organizational stakeholders. citizens complained that residents have no opportunity to develop relationships with officers in their neighborhoods because i never got out of their cars unless they are responding to calls. a series of recommendations for restoration of respect and suggested be done through relationships, not programs. they report does not dive into the most serious issues, illegal guns, drugs, how to curb the crime stats. >> i think we are going to pay attention to those figures but how many rel

why does he need, he's got his theory here, gary emanuel is his friend, he can work this out. here is the problem right here. the thing here is that the hurricane start to mix up the ocean and we produce all sorts of sea spray and there's a lot of complexity that's going on. it's not clear how much this is going to go up. that's what we want to know. we know the oceans are warming up. they are warming up due to greenhouse gases affect. there are warming up and we should get stronger storms. how much stronger? who knows. we can't work it out. we simply cannot work it out because of these air fluxes. that is one theory. just to review. in up and out, the theory of how storms intensify through the heat engine. your car has an engine, it works on simple ideas. it's not as a efficient. let me see if i can humor you a little bit on this. you said statistical theory that was worked out in the mid- 20th century, suppose for example we record the highest speed in ten hurricanes. let's say god to 34 and a half meters. second. i'm a scientist. i apologize for that already, but that's wha

on may the seventh emanuel macross went to power as president of france. his share of the vote was sixty six percent thirty nine years promised a fresh new era i am totally for the construction of a new model of governance people do seeing that we need reform we want to do reform so we with the reform we are a movement of profound rid of ational fast forward one hundred days and macros popularity has fallen faster than any french president even his previous francois holmes known as mr unpopular by the end of his presidency because of his record low ratings was doing better one hundred days in the nosedive in mccann's popularity time after. he said he wanted to reign like the mystical jupiter father of the gods while his first divine intervention was to force his military chief to resign after telling him in public that he macro knows better because he is in charge if you would push if you near city didn't place you. in another high handed move macro cancelled the traditional bastille day media conference apparently because he regards his views as too deep

now mayor rob emanuel says the city suing the trump administration claiming it is illegal to withhold public safety grant from so call sanctuary cities, the latest push back against the federal immigration crackdown. in los angeles, the story says her husband was detained by ice officers after living here with his american born wife and two young children. >> we cry at night. they miss their father. i miss my husband deeply. >> stories like this have played out as well, in chicago , where emanuel says the city won't be blackmailed into changing it values as a welcoming city. last week the president introduced new immigration bill, favoring application can't who can speak english and financially support themselves. >> new jersey governor chris christie is inviting president trump to stay at a state-owned beach house on the jersey shore. now, the resident in island beach state park made headlines last month after governor christie was photographed lounging on the beach, that was ordered closed during the state's government shutdown. president trump is currently in the garden state, visi

so i think to your question, when the massacre at mother emanuel occurred it was shocking to everybody and caused people rethink relationships and things everybody thought was in these issues that everyone thought were kind of being managed or were okay, and for me now, a couple years later, it is really -- a very powerful influence on things. if i was stand neglect front door right now, mother emanuel church would be closer than that front door. it's right across the street. so, you messenger bet the flowers. every morning -- every day, i see people go and sort of pay respects and leave flowers and other sorts of things. it remains -- of course just to take a step back, with the trial and so that the legal process continues to sort of progress on that. it's just kind of hanging there. and charleston continues to evolve and to grow and to try to figure out how to deal with these kinds of things. i think the human hopes to try to be part of contributing to those conversations in productive and positive ways. >> there's a great tour in this, and with the work at the museum and i was goin

where were you in the process -- i'll ask both of you -- when the massacre at mother emanuel occurred and what do you think the impact will be from that on your work as well as your work at the museum. >> good ahead. >> talk about the book. >> i had written the proposal. it had gone with -- my agent had taken it to publishers and we had a publisher interested and had acquired the book, and so i think when this horrific event happened, it just reiterated the idea that this was such a relevant story to today. reverend clement pinckney who was a victim admired robert smoltses. skip gates, a professor at harvard interviewed him and he specifically mentioned robert smalls. so i was very poignant to mitchell was already invested in the story, working on it, and wanting it to be the belles die bit was a shocking reminder just how much we still -- how far we have to go in is country. visited on one of my further trips to charleston and there were a lot of flowers still out. it had been months and months but it was pretty moving moment, and just a tragedy. >> i think in trying to build museum

i went down to charleston two years ago to do a "times" cover story on the massacre in the mother emanuelh of the nine bible study church goers by a white supremacist, if you'll remember the confederate flag in south carolina then came down off of the property and that was what i think really began this debate about confederate symbols, confederate flags, confederate statues across the south. but that was a larger conversation of black lives matter, of trayvon martin, of freddie gray in baltimore, ferguson in missouri. i mean this is all part of the sense in this country of race, this big race debate, and also of this president. and so there's this outrage that's lingering over this week where the president has yet fully to close the book on this episode from charlottesville last weekend and really say that racism is unacceptable, that there's no moral equivalency between protesting neo-nazis and being a neo-nazi. so i think that's what you see is this sort of anger on a lot of different levels and a lot of different sides of this debate. >> eliza, if jay is right that the dylann roof sho