. -- he was probably embittered. when he went to the caribbean to reconquer haiti, to put the former slaves back into slavery, napoleon failed to reconquer haiti. frenchman died on that mission. he was the only one that never made it back to france. this is the tricky part about writing about people. some of them you spend years researching and you get charmed by them. and this man was a major disappointment to me, his life, on this mission to put people back into slavery. but all of them went back to france. some of them especially had the most distinguished careers and france. it was almost a kind of funny thing, because these people in a sense along to french history. -- belonged to french history. they have this moment where they appear in american history, which is my field, and it helps me think about american history and its connections between friends, the caribbean -- france, the caribbean and with other parts of the world. realizing that the solidity of these boundaries that we think of as much more fixed,

i believe he was embittered. he was more connected with the philadelphia lee. he stayed until 1802. , when he went down to the caribbean and the attempt to reconquer haiti. and he died on that mission. he is the only one who never made it back to france. part ofthe tricky writing about people, because some of them you spent years researching and reading the papers and your child by them, and he was one of the major disappointments to me trying on his mission to put people back into slavery. dying on his mission to put people back into slavery. it was always a kind of funny thing for me because these people and a sense kind of along to french history. wherehey had this moment they were kind of appearing in american history, which is my field. and it helped me kind of think about american history and its connections between france, the caribbean, with other parts of the world. and to realize that the solidity of these kind of boundaries that we think of as much more fix, but to think about american a part of the larger french role. it is an interesting expiration

embittered ands connected with the philadelphia elite. he stayed until 1802 when he went down to the caribbean and participated in the attempt to conquer haiti and for the former slaves back into slavery in a desperate attempt to reconquer haiti and he died on admission. he's the only one who never made it back to france. it's a sad coda to his life because this is the tricky part because some of them he spent years researching and writing and reading their paper were and you get charmed by them. disappointment, on this mission to put people back into slavery. all of them went back to france and some of them had distinguished careers. it was always a funny thing for me because these people along to french history and here, they had this moment where they were appearing in american history, which is my field and it helped me think about american history and its connection between withe, the caribbean, other parts of the world and realize the solidity of these boundaries that we think of as fixed, to think about american history as part of

but the idea that this embittering process that he stays in the race and then is the white knight atppycock. i don't get it. [ no audio ] -- than than wow to ted cruz. so he will steal more votes from donald trump in the coming weeks than he is from ted cruz. >> that's the thing, larry, trump, even though this is a loss for them tonight, he's leading in california leading in pennsylvania very well positioned in new york all of which are delegate rich. >> yes. he's clearly going to do very well in new york and i think he'll do very well the following week in the pennsylvania plus middle atlantic northeastern primary. so he's likely to pick up a lot of delegates there. and then it switches back in this ping-pong match. it will go to indiana, debate i would say cruz is pretty substantially favored in both of those states. that's what we're going to see now, back and forth, back and forth, all the way through june 7th when we could do that addition and see whether trump is at 1237. nothing else much matters. if trump does not get to a firm 1237 delegates on the first ballot, he's not goi

he said the longer he stays in the race, the more embittered the members of his party will be. do you believe that to be true, tony? >> possibly. if you are part of the school of thinking that suggests with hem out of the race it is easy wrier wrier -- it is easier to beat trump head on, it is inexplicable. a candidate has only won one state in his home state. and the argument that he polls well against hillary could have been made by jeb bush. it could have been made by marco rubio or a number of other republicans who had every right to stay in the race even though they had been losing states. i think kasich is becoming an out liar in this whole matter. the two things he thinks he gains or at least i understand people around him thinks he gains by staying in this vice presidential leverage, number one and at least he is going to the convention as a candidate and i think he gains by dropping out of the race. he can still be if he goes to the convention considered if they change the nominee. >> and i will give you something comparable. 1924 just down the street behind us here at

these riots started to spread across the country, calcutta and other parts so feelings were getting embittered at the ground level and tensions, divisions between communities were growing and they grew between the leaders themselves. you have to remember they had known each other 30 years, nero's father had been good friends with jenna. they had argued with each other, they had friends in common. you would think they could have found common ground even if personal relations grew very difficult at this time. >> in a moment i will open it up and let people ask questions but i want us now to close this part of the conversation, to think about history. i had the pleasure of interviewing general gordon sullivan, chair of the board of trustees at norwich university a few weeks ago and he impressed on me how important it was to get this history major in a huge liberal, i use liberal in a classical sense, education. resolve an understanding of history, he said, that is there is very little you can do as far as making sound decisions at the top level of any chain of command and so i wanted to take us f

you know, tries, because if he drops out now, you'll have this movement he created, be embittered and left in the lurch. they need brought through the finish line and somehow reconciled with the party as a whole. >> there's also, betsy, my sense about hillary clinton is that, you know, as the news pertains to her nature of course a vacuum, news cycles dominated by her e-mails until bernie sanders became competitive and that race became about their battles. in his absence, does she face news cycles that seek to talk about nothing but her e-mails once again. >> without a doubt. the republican talking point is no longer going to be hillary clinton is losing to an elderly male socialist. what if she gets indicted. republicans need something to go after her on. they can't go after her on unfavorability numbers. trump's in worst shape. it's not something they can talk about. there's a finite number of issues to target her on. thus far they've seen the e-mail issue work quite well. i've been floored if it doesn't go back to that. >> what is fascinating how fuel attacks have been substantive.

maybe i am just embittered with my own material interest some of which, remember, is out my 11. thank you. [applause] mr. fonte: next we have nile gardiner. he has worked at the heart of washington policy for a decade. he served as an aide to former british prime minister margaret thatcher and advised her on her final book, "statecraft: strategies for changing world." mr. gardiner: thank you. it is great to be here. a fantastic new building, here. let's start by saying todd's book is terrific, and one of the finest books written so far on the evils of the european project, and it's a good that my former boss, margaret thatcher, would have devoured. she would have enjoyed it thoroughly. it is a very insightful look into the current state of affairs in regards to the european union, and it's certainly not a pretty state of affairs by any stretch of the imagination. i think the word disaster could be applied to the current state of affairs. i would like to talk this morning about the brexit debate in britain. how that is moving forward, the issues, and where that is going. also, i'

i don't quite see that done in this book, unfortunately meet i just sort of embittered and i'm saying that out of my own mutual interest. remember, it's out on may 11. thank you. [applause] >> next we will have nile gardiner, director of the margaret thatcher center for freedom at the heritage foundation in washington, d.c. he's worked with the heart of washing policy for over a decade, and before joining heritage, he served as an aide to former british prime mr. margaret thatcher, advised her on her first, her final book, statecraft strategies for a changing world. >> i'm sorry. it's good to be out the hudson institute and the fantastic new building. and i would like to start by saying that hobbes book that really terrific. it's i think one of the finest books written so far on, dare i say, the evils of the european project. and it's about that my former boss margaret thatcher would have loved reading. she went up the power at the. i think she would have enjoyed it thoroughly. and it's a very, very insightful look into the current state of affairs with regard to the european union. s