so what happens to all the leftover embryos? many of them are frozen and many of them are never used. so these bills basically would make us the guardians potentially of all the embryos and would restrict how they can be handled. that some of the restrictions would also make the ivf very inefficient for the patients, because frankly the overwhelming majority of embryos created in our labs are not capable of actually making a whole baby. >> so from your perspective, let's say there was an initiative and this passed and was part of law in this country, what could happen to you if something happened to one of the embryos, they didn't survive? >> well, at one extreme we could be accused of homicide if you're negligent homicide because we are not taking care of an embryo. at the more reasonable level, i think we could be considered negligent, in general. but patients, we know from experience when these kinds of bills were introduced here in georgia, patients actually rose up in mass numbers to fight it because they understood, even i

if you're -- negligent homicide because we're not taking adequate care of an embryo. at the more reasonable level, i think we could be -- considered negligent in general. but patients, we know from experience when these kinds of bills were introduced here in georgia, patients actually rose up in mass numbers to fight it because they understood -- even if they were people of faith, they understood that this interfered with their ability to family build. and that ivf is not an efficient process. and that part of the process is that certain embryos will not be used and will likely be discarded. >> what do you think will happen moving forward? we have a big election coming up. this is part of the platform we're talking about. >> well, these bills have been introduced in i think 30 something states. they've typically failed. in mississippi a few months ago, a bill like this went as a referendum. it looked like it was going to pass. when the medical community came in and educated a very conservative population, the people of mississippi overwhelmingly rejected a person hood

when multiple embryos develop into viable pregnancies, dr. patel's policy is to reduce them by selective abortion. aside from possible religious concerns, the process could present medical risk to the surviving fetuses. >> parents -- yes, there are some who say right from the beginning, "doctor, put less embryos because we are not for reduction, and we don't this to happen." so in those cases we never transfer more than two. but there are certain parents who don't have any objection to this, and surrogates -- we don't allow them to carry more than two. >> dr. patel insists that her facility protects the interests of surrogates as much as the clients of her commercial surrogacy program and the infants she delivers. >> we do a lot of psychological counseling for the surrogate and the family before we recruit them. we explain to them the procedure ivf, what all they'll have to undergo. if she has any complication with her previous pregnancy, we will ask her not to become a surrogate, because the same can repeat this time, to make it very sure an

and if you consider an embryo a human life. or i mean a fertilized egg. i know there are people like congressman ryan who literally have supported making an embryo a person as a matter of law. considering that as a matter of law. i personally don't think a fertilized egg should have more rights than an adult woman. and that's what i believe. by the way, a lot of -- women who are rape victims, it's not that they detest the fetus. that's not necessarily the reason. there may be lots of reasons. there may be emotional reasons. there may be economic reasons. it may not be something that is going to work in their lives at that time. they may care very much about being able to support a child, to love a child, to nurture a child, to make sure the child has everything the child needs. they may feel at that point in their life they can't do that. >> rebecca, i will give you the last word here -- >> gloria, i -- >> wait a minute, rebecca, let me just say, i would have total respect for any woman who is raped who believes that they can go through with the pregnancy

presented with stem cell legislation that would in romney's view have the potential of destroying embryosis mind. >> i realized what sounded good in a campaign, when i became the governor and was going to be the person who would sign a piece of legislation that can take human life, i simply couldn't do it. >> democrats say it was about ambition. >> he wanted to run for president of the united states and within the republican nominating process and someone who was pro choice or pro gay rights or a progressive stance would lose. >> it wasn't a flip flop. what you saw was the tension between personal beliefs and a persona. >> none of this would slow romney down. his sights were set on the white house in 2008. but there were doubts about his convictions. and questions about his mormon faith. a religion some e vvangelicals call a cult. >> mormonism is politically toxic and dangerous because people pull out strands and secure them. >> there was no avoiding it though. romney decided to give a crucial speech on his faith early in the primaries. >> he wrote it. he really wrote every word. >> you v

a bill came to my desk which would have expand dramatically the capacity of individuals to create embryosdestroy them. this was for scientific purposes. and i said i can't sign that. i simply cannot sign it. and i realized that what sounded good in a campaign when i actually became the governor and was going to be the person who would sign a piece of legislation which could take human life, i simply could not do that. i wrote an op ed in the boston paper. this was i think seven or eight years ago. and said, look, i'm pro-life. and i understand that and i'm going to be consistently pro-life and i have been in the seven or eight years that have passed since then. >> people say you're climbed of too secretive. you're out of touch. you play by a different set of rules. >> well, i know that the obama campaign is going to do everything they can to try and deflect from the economic record of the president and his failure to come up with a plan to get the economy going in the future. so they tried to attack me on a personal basis and frankly, distort my policies in remarkable ways. saying things

described how this organism when isolated when it was exposed to pregnant chickens it killed the embryo within forty eight hours when they have ranches or forms with high levels of miscarriages they look at the aborted fetal tissue and they're packed with this new organism which is also on the fire which has been which has been treated with round by organism you're talking about a bacteria it's new science it's the size of a virus so it's only seen in an electron microscope it's never been characterized before and you know viruses are those weird kind of in between or i'm not sure if it's alive and i'm sure it's not because they don't they don't excrete they don't metabolize they do it's basically do this is not and are so this is not a virus it's not a it's not a lot of things it's probably something like a fungus that's a microfungus but they've never seen it before they're isolating the d.n.a. right now. i know i mean it gets stranger than truth there are those who suggest that all of this is just a byproduct globalization how do you respond well what i've seen traveling to thirty fo

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you can believe no matter how the baby fetus or embryo is c conceived, that is a taking of the life. that is not the majority of the republican party. some people for some time, that is inconsistent. when congress member akin went over the line, it is to suggest there are different degrees of rape and not so real rape. women had anti-secret baby juice they could secrete. it is insuranensitive. >> ruth, the republicans haven't been consistent about this nor has mitt romney or paul ryan been consistent. it was sunday when paul ryan said he was willing to go along with romney in terms of the rape exception. before that, paul ryan said that rape was never an acceptable excuse for abortion. >> that is not a question of consistency or inconsistency. >> guys, we have to leave it there. i want to thank the panel. ruth, keith and sofia. >>> all roads to the white house lead through ohio. could new early voting rules cost him the buckeye state? we will talk with dennis kucinich? >>> and foiled again. 62-year-old diana nyad's attempt to swim to florida from cuba comes to an end. how about our h

. >> if you look at the way that ivf works is you have multiple embryos are created.ally a question is what happens to the extra if they are not used or discarded. if you say that life begins at conception or you have a fertilized egg. it's not that ivf is outlawed but if you have a personhood bill those extra embryos become the crux of the issue. >> let's remind everyone. ryan and romney and this is ryan's new stance on abortion. they are against abortion except when it comes to rape and incest. given that, do we know if they would support this personhood legislation? >> it's a very good question. you pointed out that mitt romney's personal story with his grand children. if you look at personhood bill you can see the difficulty with ivf. we have talked to the people at personhood usa is it will force ivf to become more efficient. you're not creating a lot of extra. you're creating the exact number that you need and those get implanted. >> isn't it so expensive and these hopeful mothers want to increase their chances of getting pregnant. >> exactly. we talked to scien

says hamilton said the usual things, burr is corrupt, burr is a liar, burr is crazy for power, an embryo caesar was a phrase hamilton liked. but then it said something else. hamilton is supposed to have said -- and i have an opinion of this gentleman that's still more despicable. now, despicable is not a word that strikes the modern era as particularly terrible. but in 1804 it meant sexual perversion. now, don't press me as to what brand of sexual perversion, it apparently covered a variety. but it was an extremely offense bive term to use -- offensive term to use, a corresponding term today would be viewed as extraordinarily offensive, and burr wrote a very stiff note to hamilton saying i see this report of what you said. you must retract that, explain it or meet me on a field of honor, a duel. burr had made such demands of hamilton twice before, and both times hamilton had retracted his previous or reported remark. on this occasion hamilton did not, and he wrote back a rather mealy-mouthed response, they exchanged more letters, and after about three weeks of foreplay, they met in the f

presented with stem cell legislation that would, in romney's view, have the potential of destroying embryos changed his mind. >> i realized what sounded good in a campaign, when i became the governor and be the person who would sign a piece of legislate which could take human life, i couldn't do that. >> reporter: democrats say it was about ambition. >> he wanted to run for president of the united states. he understood that somebody who was pro-choice or pro-gay rights or anything in terms of progressive stance would lose. >> i didn't see it as a fl flip-fl flip-flop. i think you saw the tension between personal beliefs and a public persona. >> gloria joins me now. that looks great. >> thank you. >> the issue of flip-flopping it's a major contention for romney even until this day. >> it does. it also dogs him from the right. we saw that during the primaries because if you are a social conservative and against abortion then you look at mitt romney and you go, you know what, i don't really know what you believe because what you were saying in massachusetts was quite different from what i see

with stem cell legislation that would in romney's videw that could have the potential of destroying embryos denied. >> when i was the governor and was a person that could take human life, i simply couldn't do that. >> reporter: democrats say it was about ambition. >> he wanted to run for president of the united states and someone who was pro-choice or pro-gay rights, he would lose. >> i don't see it as a flip-f p flip-flop. what you saw was the tension between personal believes and a public persona. >> gloria joins me now. that looks great. >> reporter: thank you. >> that looks great. the issue of flip-flopping, it's a major contention for romney. >> reporter: well, it dogs him from the left, but it dogs him from the right and woe saw that in the primaries. because if you are a koeshl conservative and you are ardently against abortion then you look at mitt romney and you go, i don't know what you believe. because what you were saying in massachusetts was quite different from what i see on the campaign trail. you saw him explain it there. some people will never believe it was out of convicti

confronted with the piece of legislation on stem cell research that in his view would have destroyed embryos, he couldn't sign it. now, that's a rationale that you may choose to believe or not believe. cleay, lots democrats are willing to say we have them in our documentary, saying they believe it was politically motivated. that he knew they could never run for the presidency in the republican party. being any kind of pro-choice candidate. so he switched. he also made the point to me, why don't you complain about president obama who was against gay marriage and now he's for gay marriage. so we're all allowed to have our shifts of position on social issues. but i might say, anderson, this is what's caused the skepticism. not only among democrats and those women who are pro-choice but also among republicans, and we saw this throughout the primary process, because they're not quite sure about mitt romney. not only on the issue of abortion but also on the issue of health care reform which he also passed when he was governor of massachusetts. >> interesting stuff. look forward to the documentary

becomes the human sperm tuzoeza penetrating the oocyte to create a human zygote, a one-celled human embryoich is a new unique human being. that's who mitt romney put on the ticket. things did not work out well for republicans when they tried to campaign against health insurance covering birth control earlier this year. after a lot of bluster over it and a failed vote in the senate, the house republican leadership tried quietly to walk away from the issue. if you like how it went when republicans invade against insurance coverage for birth control this year, how do you think it's going to go now that a federal ban on the most popular forms of birth control has just been put on the republican presidential ticket? are mitt romney and paul ryan both going to campaign on paul ryan's proposed national ban on most in vitro fertilization and the most popular forms of birth control in the country? when they announced the vice presidential pick, it was sort of surreal to see bob mcdonnell there, right, introducing mitt romney and paul ryan. the whole thing was staged in front of a decommissioned bat

and he's also pushed legislation to restrict taking cells from human embryos for stem cell research 37 to define each fetus as a person. the so-called personhood amendment. he's argued that unborn children are being treated as subhuman. like slaves once were. and he infuriated some womens rights groups when he helped sponsor anti-abortion legislation that used the term "forcible rape," as if there could be any other kind. the wording was later changed. complicating that matter further, another sponsor of that legislation was none other than the man now at the center of controversy, todd akin. still, republicans clearly do not see ryan as a liability. >> we need the women to step to the plate, to put the romney/ryan team over the top. are you with me? >> reporter: indeed, they're selling him as a small-town family man, unafraid to take on tough issues, like the deficit, entitlement programs and joblessness. and they point out polls show the economy remains the biggest concern for men and women alike. >> i go to washington four days a week. which i call the silly place. it's two differen

with his kind of ayn rand libertarianism, he talked about the rights of the fertilized egg or the embryoor fetus, but did not mention women in this piece even once. it is a non issue to him. >> his views on planned parenthood and where they stand. >> he wants to completely defund it, as does mitt romney. they both want -- in the past was typical for republicans to want to put a lot of limits on planned parenthood, to make sure money given to planned parenthood for activities was sequestered from any of their abortion-related services. they both want to completely strip planned parenthood -- not just planned parenthood, but all federal funding programs. >> let's turn to an ad approved by the obama administration. we thought we had that. i also want to talk about mitt romney and his stance on todd akin. he came out quickly and said it was offensive. but let's go back to sandra fluke, the young law school student who wanted to testify before congress about the importance of funding contraception for students. and rush limbaugh's attack on her, calling her a slut and a prostitute, even said

even with more regulators in place, we are still not making embryos and regulating financial institutionso actually breathe them out, that is an incredibly difficult proposition . the way out is en masse. >> i could fix things if i were king. break up the too big to exist banks, ring back glass-steagall, 30 pages, real simple. put in place incentives at the banks don't gamble because then there's a transaction tax and so they actually invest in making loans for project of economic activity. you put in place incentives that they are not compensated excessive risk-taking and repeal citizens united and get politics out of the system. [applause] ima columnist. she actually reports the facts. you mention that wamu had no friends in washington d.c. why do you think we haven't heard a lot from our representatives such as murray and camp all quiet >> that is such a good question. actually at the "puget sound business journal," we've reached out to her on multiple occasions because after wamu collapsed, she made this big show of coming out and saying we're going to lead the investigation into this

bill last year defining human life as beginning with fertilization and granting personhood rights to embryos and we know it would outlaw abortions in all cases and may also restrict some forms of birth control. how can governor romney say that he and congressman ryan together disagree with what akin said in this, not his words in the interview but his stance on following through with a pregnancy even if the case of rape, not the legitimate rape comment that he made? >> right. well, look, obviously you know that when a vice presidential nominee is chosen, he folds underneath the policies of the presidential nominee, so whether paul ryan's views are no potential for any abortion under any circumstances or not, it doesn't really matter in the sense that the governor romney is the head of the ticket. does this pose a problem for governor romney with some members of the base who believe that abortion is murder and shouldn't be allowed in any instance? i think it might. i think it could. ryan has no influence over that. >> that assertion is intriguing for many reasons. i will give you the example