emel laughs. pretty much. to say is that we cannot do something that's not political, because political is basically, if we care, we have to care. we have to care about everything. and if we care, we are political because political is actually us. but we've had two songs there which have had a profound effect in terms of their reach on people. do you think they change things? well, when i see what happened in tunisia and when i see what is happening now, when i see people's reaction during concerts and when i see what happened during covid, where we all turned back to the essentials, which are us, ourfamilies, our human connections, our emotions. yes, i truly believe that music can change things because music comes from the heart, comes from the soul, and itjust speaks to the heart and speaks to the soul in ways that nothing else can compare. so, yeah, i believe that. but when you look, for example, at the arab spring and what came of it, how does it make you feel about what your hopes were then? and what diff

emel mathlouthi, welcome to hardtalk. thank you.