other members include emilie morrison and jeffery mar and bill strawn. it was a good discussion and as i joke with bill in good fashion, we find issues we want to address first before we can agree on it. we'll have another meeting and the goal here is to have this program in place here starting next year and do it on a quarterly basis. i think it will be a very, very good policy to have in place to recognize all the -- particularly the people in the dbi family who are doing a great job and recognizing them on a quarterly basis. finally, a reminder that this afternoon from 1:00 to 4:00 p.m. which i was correctediervier, there will be a special meeting on the joint disability access subcommittee and access appeals commission in room 2001 at 1660 mission street. representatives of the national elevator manufacturers and consultants will be presenting prototypes of their equipment for disabled and nondisabled persons. i hope to attend that meeting, swing by. on saturday, september 22nd, dbi staff volunteers will respond to questions and provide outreach info