emily cohen from the mayor's office. we estimate that people stay approximately ten years in permanent supportive housing. that is a rough estimate. we have about a 12% turnover per year in permanent supportive housing, and only 2% of that is for eviction. 2% of the folks that leave permanent supportive housing has a net does have a negative exit, either folks either move up into affordable but not affordable housing, they may move into the community, they may move with family, and many people pass away and permanent supportive housing. the population we are serving as elderly, highly vulnerable, and as gg mentioned, as we implement coordinated entry in our -- and are serving the most vulnerable folks in the community, folks are going to be staying longer, and time limited housing, transitional housing has been proven relatively ineffective at ending homelessness, h.u.d. has defunded the model as the city and county of san francisco has also stepped away from this model for homeless adults. it is not cost-effective, it i

what can you and the congress do to reassure michael cohen and to encourage him to testify, given that as emilyfox just reported, he wants to see some action taken? >> america needs to hear from michael cohen. he has a story to tell. he was on the inside in all of the president's -- in his personal, his professional and his political lives, and he has turned for good. we need to hear that story. so good evening, lawrence. i would say that it's not just a responsibility on congress, but it's also a responsibility that the special counsel has, particularly to protect a -- what looks like a pivotal witness in a criminal case. and lawrence, as we talk about this, of course we're talking about the president of the united states and his lawyer, but as a former prosecutor, this is no different than talking to someone who left a street gang and they're testifying against the kingpin. i've seen this so many times where, you know, they want to do the right thing then they start to get the threats, they start to get the pressure and you've got to convince them, you know, first, you've got to protect yours

emily jane fox is going to be here in just a moment from "vanity fair" to talk about one of those surprises that concerns the president's longtime personal lawyer michael cohen. emily jane has some new important reporting on that story tonight, specifically about president trump potentially having some new criminal liability from yet another campaign-related revelations ala michael cohen. so emily jane fox is going to be joining us live in just a second with some of that new reporting. you are going to want to see that. >>> before we get to that michael cohen case, though, there's a couple of other developments you should know about today as well. one of them, i can't tell you much about what the bottom line of it -- in terms of what the bottom line in terms of what it means, but i am very intrigued by this. we have learned late this evening just before starting this show tonight that the supreme court of the united states tomorrow, the justices of the supreme court tomorrow are once again going to consider at least some part of what we now affectionately call the mystery case. this is a mystery case that appears to relate to robert mueller and the special c

potentially having some new criminal liability from another campaign related revelation michael cohen. emily jane fox will join us live in a second with some of that new reporting. you are going to want to see that before we get to the michael cohen case, there is other developments and one of them i can't tell you much about what the bottom line of it in terms of what the bottom line is in terms of what it means but i am very intrigued by this. we have learned late this evening before starting the show, the supreme court of the united states tomorrow, the justices of the supreme court tomorrow are once again going to consider at least some part of what we affection anytime recall the mystery case. this relates to robert mueller and the special counsel's office and high-level prosecutors working for the special counsel's office are believed to be associated with this case. i have to couch it like that because the filings and arguments in the case have been conducted under seal so i can't just show you something that proves that. the parties in this case are secret. the lawyers are secret. an

emily jane fox, where is michael cohen in this because it seems like according to anthony cormier and the buzzfeed story, this is not information that has come from michael cohen. michael cohen gave his testimony. he then spoke to the mueller investigation several times. it's quite possible, it's likely this is all known by the mueller investigation. >> michael cohen spent 70 hours with investigators. i don't think that he left anything, particularly this kind of explosive information, out of those interviews. we know that the mueller team was very satisfied with cohen's cooperation. >> correct. >> we didn't get any view into what they were satisfied with or why they were perhaps so satisfied. in fact, the fact he lied to congress and recommend he receive no additional jail time for that indicated they were very satisfied with his cooperation. now we're getting a glimpse into what he was told. this is not some of the test we'll hear when cohen goes to testify in front of congress on february 7th. there are limits to what he'll be able to discuss when coit cos to things like this, thin

cohen. joining us now, emily jane fox. this systtestimony. is he genuinely scared for the safety of his family? here's fox news, talked to jake tapper, on and on talking about the quote, father-in-law. is this actually about physical safety for michael cohen? >> you have the most powerful man in the world who has been going after michael cohen publicly for eight months now now going after private citizens who are his close family members. i don't think any of us would feel comfortable with the most powerful man in the world going after our spouses, our in-laws and then saying you know what, i'm going to voluntarily put myself and my family in the most public setting possible with millions and millions of people watching me across the country, across the world and i'm not going to do that to my family. i'm not going to put them in further harm if the president is going to continue to threaten me and my family. i know he has been spending hours and hours and hours preparing for this testimony. he wanted to have this have you

engagements back and forth with the special counsel's team. >> emily jane fox, we are three weeks away from this testimony of michael cohen before the house. as you say, we're not going to hear everything. we're going to hear some things. some of us are wondering what we're going to hear that we didn't already know about from the sentencing hearings and from the government. you've talked to michael cohen. how is he feeling heading into this? >> i think this is something he has been looking forward to doing for quite some time. there have been many, many months since the fbi executed search warrants on his homes and office in april. he hasn't been able to talk because he's been participating in these investigations and he was waiting for a judge to come down and sentence him. this is a chance for him to get up in front of the entire country and the entire world, rather, and say what he knows about very specific things that are related to the president and to clear his conscious in some way, but i will say his thinking changed over the weekend when the president called in to fox news and told judge jeanine pirro to look int

"vanity fair" reported here on our air last night, reporter emily jane fox reported here last night that michael cohen has documentation that trump directed that operation, that campaign expenditure. just like he did the other campaign finance shenanigans that have now been charged by the southern district of new york as felonies. and then, again, this is all the same week. this is how we are leading up to the two-year anniversary of trump being sworn in. all this same week. now "buzzfeed" news has been the source of an all-day furor today with their just volcanically explosive reporting that president trump personally instructed michael cohen to lie to congress about the trump tower moscow project and how involved trump and his family were. remember, mike the cohen has pled guilty lying to congress about that. the "buzzfeed" reporting is that trump directed cohen to make those false statements. "buzzfeed" reports that, quote, the special counsel's office learned about trump's directive for cohen to lie to congress through interviews with multiple witnesses from the trump organization and internal com

i am interested in your comment on emily jane fox who has written extensively about michael cohen and had been in touch with him. she told him he's determined. i guess stay tuned. >> reporter: february, march is shaping up to be the possibility of president trump traveling overseas. by the way, the government is still shutdown so maybe it will reopen by the end of february, beginning of march. a lot of building towards those time period. it is interesting emily jane fox has that reporting. if he's determined to do so, the over sight committee does want to hear from him. >> and i am curious because you said this has sort of been out there for a few weeks o f the concerns that cohen has and his family and now coming to tuition in full circle. has anyone in the senior staff of the white house had anything to say about that? >> that michael cohen's family felt threatened by what the president has said. now we have a statement of somebody close to them, the president knows exactly what he's doing. >> the president largely missed that and a line that you will hear from sources here that mic

spokesman says his emily including his wife, children, and in-laws encouraged him to postpone the appearance after calls by mr. trump and his lawyer rudy giuliani to investigate michael cohen'sr-in-law. he was testified -- set to testify in a public hearing february 7. today, the white house and the president responded to claims that michael cohen feels threatened. >> i would say he's been threatened by the truth. he's only been threatened by the truth. he doesn't want to do that probably for me or other of his clients. he has other clients also, i assume. he doesn't want to tell the truth for me or other of his clients. to nine pleaded guilty felonies and is due to turn himself in in march to serve a three-year prison sentence. the president has recognized the interim president of venezuela. this came minutes after the opposition leader declared himself the head of state. he was the president of venezuela's national assembly, which the ruling president does not recognize. he invoked a constitutional amendment that allows the head of the legislature to lead a caretaker government until new elections can be held. opposition supporters continued marching in the capital of cara