>> and final, the head of the gsa, a woman named emily murphy, was asked multiple times, was the president driving this, did he intervene, and he basically answered in a way that wasn't quite a lie, but led one to believe that the president had not. >> and that instance has been magnified in this report, but there are multiple instances where officials from the gsa and fbi have declined to say in front of congress what the white house's involvement in the decision have been and what the president's involvement in the decision has been. which i'm not even really clear the reason behind the dodging of those questions, because if the president wants to take a specific involvement in one real estate project, maybe it's just his prerogative. but if there's something larger there that they're covering up,ening that's the reason investigators are taking a piece at this. >> i think you put your finger on it. it's the sort of deception and dissembling around the president's role to me that is the thing that seems the strangest about this, as far as the facts that we know. jonathan o'connell and ann