no one has claimed to send from emily or herriot and that leads me to believe that at the very least if her husband knew and if her children knew that information stopped with them. the records show he never owned slaves. he was a carpenter with a scottish emigran immigrant carpo i thought that is how they met. i really have no way of knowing. what is interesting is a descendent as late as world war ii here in washington said that the family of the daughter still lived in washington and they are doing very well so clearly there was knowledge and pattison made the point oa point of saying i i will not. as we all know the civil war did not change the ideas about race. so he wasn't going to reveal the secret. it gets to the pain of the plaintiff passing and did she keep the secret to herself. the utter silence that suggests the secret was held early on. with respect to the first lady, i'm not particularly comfortable with that designation because she visited her father twice when he was president and was certainly a very congenial and intelligent conversationalist at her father's dinner