on this and emily oster is the one who wrote the article saying we should declare pandemic amnestyrget let's all just get along. what they forget is what they put kids through for years and a lot of parents if you look at these polls are not forgiving on this. >> precisely, i appreciate that she wants to be forgiven, that's great. what does forgiveness take, when when you're people who knowingly in the face of insurmountable evidence decided to close schools for up to a couple years, masked children, because immense learning loss, depression, weight gain, suicide among many other problems, things that you can never repair, thinks it may take decades if ever to repair especially hitting minority kids, hitting poor children damaging families, she's the last person alive who should be asking for forgiveness until she repents. how can she repent? she should ask for forgiveness by actually saying this is what we did wrong, this is what i will never do again and in fact i think resigning, that should be how she does it. >> trace: that's my point exactly you don't hear any of it. there is

emily oster is just completelyee ignores how wrong these peoplesh were. weretr son yelling at somebody on a trail as if it's some kind ofr joke. and these same people are still running our lives. are still the ones dictating government policy. govepoli tellings an us which doctors can have their licenses and who can speak on the internet. he and all the state laws. >> laura , for the most part, that allowed governors to abuse our rights are still in placeplc with virtually no changes whatsoever other than perhaps the duration of an emergency period es. so i have to say that this is a bipartisan problem, laura . even republican governors reveled in their power. even republican governors declaredand repu some businesses essential and non-essential and just about everybody in the country suffered mightily from this. there are no reparation for the people who lost their jobs ,the people who lost their businesses, the people who lost their hope, their loved ones. and people are very angry.prati they are seething. and until we have some accountability for that

scott gottlieb, and emily oster from brown university, joining us from providence, rhode island. ily, you wrote an article about pandemic amnesty. you said, basically, we need to forgive public officials for what they didn't know during the worst of the pandemic. you had argued early on for opening of skochools when the pandemic was still raging. what do you think we need to be focused on now? because some of the debate still seems to be stuck two years ago. >> yeah, so i'm an economist, but i'm also a parent. and i talk to a lot of parents. what i can say is right now, parents are very worried about the next steps for their kids. they see the historic test score declines. they see the declines in routine vaccination rates for kids. and they want us to be looking to solutions. they don't want to be looking to rehash the debates we had two years ago. they want to know what investments are we going to make as a policy group to fix the problems that they're seeing for their kids. >> well, amen to talking about solutions, but we aren't, laura, talking much about them as a country. to

. >> well, absolutely, laura, emily oster's piece ignores how wrong these people were and she jokes about her son yelling at somebody on her trail as if it was some kind of a joke. these same people are still running our lives. they're still the ones dictating government policies and the ones telling us which doctors can have their licenses and who can speak on the internet. all the state laws, laura, for the most part that allowed governors to abuse our rights are still in place for the visual virtually no changes. i have to say this is a bipartisan problem, even republican governors rebelled in their power and republican governors declared some businesses essential or non-essential. just about everybody in the country suffered from this. there are no rapripration for people who lost their jobs and hopes. people are very angry. we'll not have peace in this country over this issue, laura. i will never get those years back in the courts. you can never let i happen again. >> laura: congressman, we still have your military subjected to these mandates and healthcare officials who can't get th