emily renda, john kelly and jane stapleton. >> mr. chairman, while the next panel is assembling itself, let me say that i understand that there are circumstances that come through the sexual assault reporting mechanism at these universities that amount to less than criminal activity. my point is that unless you have somebody in the room who understands what felony sexual assault is and an ombudsman is not nearly as expert as a prosecutor or police officer, and if the institution can't support connecting with the police department in a way that is easy and supportive for the alleged victim, then you have real problems down the road. because by the time they do figure it out, it could easily be too late to gather the appropriate evidence. all sorts of statements have been made that fouled up criminal prosecution. you've really put the individual at risk in terms of defending her rights as a victim through the law enforcement process. >> i got that. i think we'll hear from someone on this panel that maybe a victim doesn't, they get caugh

emily renda, john kelly and jane stapleton. >> mr. chairman, while the next panel is assembling itself, let me say that i understand that there are circumstances that come through the sexual assault reporting mechanism at these universities that amount to less than criminal activity. my point is that unless you have somebody in the room who understands what felony sexual assault is and an ombudsman is not nearly as expert as a prosecutor or police officer, and if the institution can't support connecting with the police department in a way that is easy and supportive for the alleged victim, then you have real problems down the road. because by the time they do figure it out, it could easily be too late to gather the appropriate evidence. all sorts of statements have been made that fouled up criminal prosecution. you've really put the individual at risk in terms of defending her rights as a victim through the law enforcement process. >> i got that. i think we'll hear from someone on this panel that maybe a victim doesn't, they get caugh