some studies show that for every job you transfer offshores you emit those emissio. and what extrainality costs do you address if you are worried about those in the ocean. i say form your opinio there is a book t called "power hungry," it's an interesting book about the facts of these energy issues. >> if you would follow your assumption that there is an extrainality extremism, why would itxist? if acid rain is not a big deal asou say, why wasn't it a big deal if harmful consequences? >> the big issue is co 2, you have an environmental movement that is a business competing against other businesses. again, i don't know whether the world is warming or cooling. but i know that you can eliminate the industry and eliminate all the people and all that, it wouldn't make that much difference. there is 7.8 billions of tons of coal burned in the world. that number will increase. every 36 months the increase burning of coal will increase by the production. that's a fact of life. and that's how the people will get out of poverty and how we stop the child dying every three 3.7 se