professor kenneth thorpe, chairs the department of health policy and management at emory university.pondent for politico.com. two sharp, sharp minds on this professor, let me start with you. i want to get to the exchange in a moment. but we also know there are provisions here for what's called a health care co-op. please explain that to me so that it makes sense not only for me but for everyone watching. >> all a health care co-op, it's a not-for-profit health plan. the management of it is run by its membership. there are no profits obviously. i think the intent is is to make sure that all of the decisions about how the health plan operates really are in the best interests of its members. so, it's quite different, obviously, than a for-profit health care plan in that respect. >> okay. and the idea of the exchange that we're hearing about and josh just explained a little bit of the language, drill down a little deeper on that for us? what do we mean by this exchange? >> think of it is just as a marketplace where people who are in small businesses, they're self-employed, can actually g

here he is at emory last night, emory university. let's listen. >> when a radical fringe element of demonstrators and others begin to attack the president of the united states of america as an animal or as a reincarnation of adolf hitler, or when they wave signs in the air that say we should have buried obama with kennedy, those kind of things are beyond the bounds of the way presidents have ever been accepted. even with people who disagree. and i think people that are guilty of that kind of personal attack against obama have been influenced to a major degree by a belief that he should not be president because he happens to be african-american. it's a racist attitude. >> we're going to get to the more dangerous aspect of that question. what i want to get to in the next segment after this break, but let me go to drew and congressman mfume. drew, first of all this, question, this sense you can go to a rally and hold up a sign talking about the men in the white house being some kind of animal, that he's a hitler guy. the fact that someb

last night, former president jimmy carter who by the way is 85 years old was speaking at emory university in atlanta. he too was asked to say kanye or nay. >> what do you think of kanye west calling out taylor swift at the vma's? >> all right. >> do you agree with president obama's response to his actions? >> i don't know what obama's response was. i thought it was completely uncalled for and his punishment was to appear on the new jay leno show. [ laughter ] >> that's -- [ cheers and applause ] i have to say, i'm shocked about two things. number one, that jimmy carter is watching the mtv video music awards. number two, jay leno has a new show? i hadn't heard anything about that. you think they'd take out some ads or something. but amidst all the apologizing and the shame, there's good news for kanye west. he managed to score a new endorsement deal out of all of this. ♪ >> kanye! >> beyonce had one of the best videos of all time! >> please drink responsibly from your friends. [ cheers and applause ] >> good advice. no better example than that. what i do when i drink is use a glass. it's -

emory university has moved 50 students with swine flu into separate dorms, where they are having theirod delivered to them. and the rest of the student body said -- [ coughs ] "i don't feel so good." [ laughter ] that sounds fantastic. 50 college students in one building taking turns throwing up. i'm pretty sure that's called a fraternity. [ laughter ] it's a great idea, emory, isolating them all in one dorm. because if there is one clean disease-free place in the world, it's a college dorm. that's a great idea. [ laughter ] i read this today, paula abdul has started to work on her own variety show in las vegas. it's going to be, like, a mix of everything. singing, dancing, ambien, chardonnay, dexedrine, percocet, you name it. it's going to be fantastic. [ laughter ] a tourism bureau for a city in holland -- this is a new idea, they're using ex-homeless people as official tour guides. [ light laughter ] that sounds like a great idea, doesn't it? "over there is our museum. right there is where i ate a sandwich covered in bees. [ laughter ] and this gutter's the master bathroom there. [

carter hosted a town hall at emory university in atlanta last night.feeded questions from students on a wide range of topics, including the health care debate and why some people still condemn mr. obama as the president. >> it's a racist attitude, and my hope is and my expectation is that in the future both democratic leaders and republican leaders will take the initiative in condemning that kind of unprecedented attack on the president of the united states. >> mr. carter also said that president obama is courageous enough to withstand any kind of condemnation that might come to him. >> health officials are hoping that state of the art technology will help them battle a potential swine flu outbreak. tools like google's flu trends are helping to track entries from flu around the world. it has been very consistent with the cdc's reporting of cases here in the u.s. doctors at one hospital in boston have even created an iphone application. it works in two ways. >> the system sends back to the phone alerts about h1n1 in your vicinity or neighborhood or wher

and about an hour ago, had even more to say at a town hall meeting at emory university in atlanta.atch and then we'll introduce you to our guests. >> when a radical fringe element of demonstrators and others begin to attack the president of the united states of america as an animal or as a reincarnation of adolf hitler, or when they wave signs in the air that say we should have buried obama with kennedy, those kind of things are beyond the bounds of the way presidents have ever been accepted, even with people who disagree. and i think people that are guilty of that kind of personal tact against obama have been influenced to a major degree by a belief that he should not be president because he happens to be african-american. it's a racist attitude and my hope is and my expectation is that in the future, both democratic leaders and republican leaders will take the initiative in condemning that kind of unprecedented attack on the president of the united states. >> larry: all right. our panel here in los angeles, larry elda. in las vegas, reverend al sharpton, president of the national

you are looking now at live pictures of emory university in atlanta where president carter is getting ready to hold a question and answer session with students there. we're going to keep watching this for you. we'll let you know what he says. obviously, it's expected he's going to make some comments on the controversy that began last night and we are going to be steeped into this issue during this show. expect it. >>> now, there's this. we now know how yale student annie le whose body was found in a wall died. the cause of death, according to medical examiners, traumatic asphyxiation. and lab tech, raymond clark, was taken away in handcuffs but then released. and police are saying he was never really arrested. leading many to ask, what gives here? >> looks to me like that tape got stuck. we'll see if we can rerack it and show it to you a little bit later. in the meantime, is clark, raymond clark, who i just mentioned, this non-suspect, is he going to be charged? police say maybe we'll know in just a couple of days. >>> let's move on to afghanistan now, shall we? it's taken almost a mo

the former president held a town hall meeting in emory university last night answered said the quote people comparing the president to hitler and animals crosses the line. >> i think people that are guilty of that kind of personal attack against obama have been influenced to a major degree by a belief that he should not be president because he happens to be african-american. it is a racist attitude. >> today, house speaker nancy pelosi got emotional when she spoke about the angry rhetoric directed against president obama and the rhetoric of the health care reform. >> i have a concern about some of the language this that is being used because i saw -- i saw this myself in the late 'in san francisco this kind of rhetoric. it was very frightening and it gave -- it created a climate in which we -- violence took place. >> well, the white house maintains that race isn't behind recent criticism of president obama. press secretary robert gibbs spoke about it in a briefing today. >> the belief is not that this is based on the come over one's skin but on honest, political disagreements that ha

the northwest have some 2,000 cases that have sprung up over the past two weeks and southeast, emory university in atlanta has a number of cases and they set up an isolation dorm area where students who have the swine flu can go. and that seems to be the wig big approach is separate students out who have swine flu until they get over it. the big problem colleges face is many students can't go home because they are living on campus. but the idea is to separate students who have the flu. when you start talking about high schools and elementary schools most health officials it seems are encouraging schools to stay open. one big decision they have to make whether to stay or close. they are encouraging schools to stay open to avoid massive disruptions and separate the students who have the swine flu stay home. the numbers of cases that we can encounter in the flu season, who knows. the federal government released a report some time ago that predicted there could be as many as 1.8 million hospitalizations of americans throughout the country and some 90,000 deaths across the population in this flu sea

emory university in atlanta has set up a separate area in the dorms where students with flu are beingly. that seems to be one of the key things a lot of this is about personal responsibility. a lot of this is about isolating yourself and taking yourself away from other students if, in fact, you have flu symptoms. for colleges, that's a bit difficult because a lot of students, of course, have traveled to get to campus and they can't just go home. it's different for kids in high school and elementary school where parents are encouraged to isolate their kids out of school for some time until the flu symptoms disappears and the fever breaks for at least 24 hours before they return their kids back to school. it's unclear how many cases of swine flu we're going to have detected. the federal government has big numbers because students, children, young people and adults are so vulnerable to this because so few have immunities so it's unclear how this is going to play out this year. >> ron allen, thanks. >>> government health official are looking at new ways to educate people about the threat

this vacant dorm at emory university houses infected students while clear across the country at washington state university more than 2000 may have been infected. >> you have to be a little concerned. what can you do? they have to go to school. >> reporter: experts say there are things you can do. >> frequent washing of hands, avoiding shaking hands with people who are sick, covering your mouth when you sneeze and cough. >> reporter: seeking medical treatment is also imrtant. but the cdc isew nng o new guidelines for the use of antivirals like tamiflu, limiting them to people at high risk. >> most children, adolescent and adults with influenza like illness don't need antiviral medicines. it's just people with risk conditions. >> reporter: the cdc says more frequent use could cause resistance and make things worse in a season already expected to be bad. kristen dahlgren, nbc news. >> health experts say those who are high-risk patients need to be treated with antivirals. but for anyone else, rest and perhaps some chicken soup may be better medicine. >>> some state employees in virginia could

many one of the leading experts out there in the country on health care, also currently with emory universityr a lot of hats, i couldn't go through them all but trust me he knows what it's all about coming to health care. thank you for being here. i start with the public option. is there in your opinion as a medical expert not one side or the other, just as a medical expert can you have health care reform without a public option? >> well, i think having a public option makes the bill better because it injects competition into the health care marketplace. there's a lot of parts of this country, very, very little competition and having a public option in there would increase competition in the marketplace. you could do it without a public option. >> okay. >> one of the ways to do this would be to go to the source of what's driving the rise in health care spending. we know that the doubling of obese nit this country accounts for a third of the growth in health care spending. so if we really wanted to target what's going on in terms of health care costs, we would target the rising rates of obesit

carter is standing by his comments, as seen in an appearance at emory university in atlanta last nighthen a radical fringe element of demonstrators and others begin to attack the president of the united states of america as an animal or as a reincarnation of adolf hitler or when they wave signs in the air that said we should have buried obama with kennedy, those kind of things are beyond the bounds of the way presidents have ever been accepted. even with people who disagree. and i think people that are guilty of that kind of personal attack against obama have been influenced to a major degree by a belief that he should not be president because he happens to be african-american. it's a racist attitude. and my hope is and my expectation is that in the future, both democratic leaders and republican leaders will take the initiative in condemning that kind of unprecedented attack on the president of the united states. >> on tuesday, carter said racial politics were also involved in congressman joe wilson's "you lie" outburst directed towards president obama last week. wilson was asked about

. >> he went further at emory university last night than he did earlier in that interview with nbc newsen to what he said. among other things, he said policy disputes are fine. but there's a difference between policy disputes and this. >> when a radical fringe element of nonstrdemonstrators and othe begin to attack the president of the united states of america as an animal or as a reincarnation of adolph hitler, or when they wave signs in the air that say we should have buried obama with kennedy, those kind of things are beyond the bounds of the way presidents have ever been accepted. even with people who disagree. and i think people that are guilty of that kind of personal attack against obama have been influenced to a major degree by a belief that he should not be president because he happens to be african-american. it's a racist attitude. >> you agree with jimmy carter? >> i think that when he said that there's a fringe group out there that has been hateful, there's no question about that. i think, though, we've got to be very careful that we not project that we are saying that every

at the end of the table is ken thorpe, head of the health policy department at emory university and amember of the partnership to fight chronic disease, a group of more than 100 organizations of every stripe that is trying to shape a health care system that treats chronic conditions better. now let's get to the questions to start this off. gail, why don't we start with you? i mentioned your connection to medicare, and medicare place big role in the plants that are being developed, for generating savings to offset expansion of coverage costs, to testing new models for payment, a whole range of other things. abbas did these provisions likely to survive -- our most of these provisions likely to survive? how should and fisheries feel about those provisions? -- how should and fisheries feel about these provisions? >> i regard to proposals regarding medicare that we have heard thus far in many ways as a metaphor for the challenges that we are facing in health care reform in general. the medicare program has a clear is sustainability issue. there are clinical appropriateness and quality issu

at emory university in atlanta, a vacant dorm building is now being used to house infected students andillinois chicago, they're planning to offer the common flu vaccine to all 26,000 students, and the h1n1 vaccine, as soon as it's on the market. >> our plan is to hope for the best, prepare for the worst. >> reporter: but the new vaccine won't be available until some time next month. and crowded campuses are perfect places for the virus to spread. so, students are being advised to wash their hands with soap or hand san advertiser regularly. and if they feel sick, see a doctor. >> you know what i'm going to start doing because of that? >> what? >> i'm going to start taking a shower more than once every two weeks. >> that would be great. that was kevin tibbles reporting. >> we all have to pitch in. >> i'll drink to that. are you serious? >> by the way, my son is very -- i'm serious. my son, university of alabama, very nervous. >> we need to stay on this story. >> a lot of kids are. >>> nicolle wallace up next on "morning joe." goodwrench... we roll out the blue carpet for drivers of these

they might take a page from emory university in atlanta. up a dorm specifically for students who think they're infected. students call the self isolation at the facility club swine. >>> and 20 people now have cars compliments of actor/rapper ludacris. ludacris did some radio spots asking people to write essays explaining why they hope to be selected for the cars. entrants ranged from an out of work father of two to a sudanese refugee who recently lost his 4-year-old daughter. ludacris and the dealer gave away the cars to the 20 winners yesterday. >> i hope they were good cars. >> i'm sure they were. >>> a crack in san francisco's bay bridge throws a carefully planned construction project off schedule leaving anxious commuters checking for updates on line. let's go to abbi tatton. when is this bridge going to reopen? >> the official countdown clock still says 5:00 a.m. tomorrow morning, ten hours from now. but don't believe everything you see online. this is a huge construction project, a closure of the bay bridge which has been long planned

here's what he had to say to students at emory university in atlanta. >> when a radical fringe element president of the united states of america as an animal or as a reincarnation of adolf hitler or when they wave signs in the air that said we should have buried obama with kennedy, those kind of things are beyond the grounds of the way presidents have ever been accepted. even with people who disagree. >> republicans are blasting former president carter, calling on the white house to fire back as well. the rnc chairman michael steele, who is the first black man to serve as head of the rnc says that too many democrats are playing the race card. >> then you have rush limbaugh and some of the other conservatives saying that it's whites who are being persecuted. so is this explosive debate over race, policy, or a little bit of both? our senior political correspondent candy crowley breaks it down. >> reporter: race and politics is a combustible combo and it explodes into headlines when an ex-president lights the fuse, as jimmy carter did on abc. >> an overwhelming portion of the intensely de

at the end of the table is ken thorpe, head of the health policy department at emory university and a the partnership to fight chronic disease, a group of more than 100 organizations of every stripe that is trying to shape a health care system that treats chronic conditions better. now let's get to the questions to start this off. gail, why don't we start with you? i mentioned your connection to medicare, and medicare place big role in the plants that are being developed, for generating savings to offset expansion of coverage costs, to testing new models for payment, a whole range of other things. abbas did these provisions likely to survive -- our most of these provisions likely to survive? how should and fisheries feel about those provisions? -- how should and fisheries feel about these provisions? >> i regard to proposals regarding medicare that we have heard thus far in many ways as a metaphor for the challenges that we are facing in health care reform in general. the medicare program has a clear is sustainability issue. there are clinical appropriateness and quality issues, as is

guest: what i can remember is i went to emory in atlanta, and my tuition was about $5,000 a year. then i went to the universityd slept in the hospital every other night. but what they used to say, that is better than nothing, the older guys would say they did not pay us anything. but when i finished, i note, you know, a lot of money. it took me, like a mortgage, probably dictate to pay that off. but i was lucky i could pay it off. no regrets. host: we learned last night that your wife is a pediatrician and you are a cardiac surgeon. what is the difference in your malpractice insurance rates? guest: it is huge. my rates are exponentially > my wife's. which in my rates are exponentially greater than my wife's. i would say probably 50 times more than she has. host: is there a doctor anymore that has not been sued? guest: i think there are doctors. i mean, personally, in my entire career, i was sued one time, and it was dropped. ok. but this still does not change this the year that is ingrained in all of us. we just do things a little more over the top to decrease the possibility that someone might ask why we did

guest: what i can remember is i went to emory in atlanta, and my tuition was about $5,000 a year. then i went to the universityr year for four years. then i started training in surgery. in those days, we made about $14,000 a year and slept in the hospital every other night. but what they used to say, that is better than nothing, the older guys would say they did not pay us anything. but when i finished, i note, you know, a lot of money. it took me, like a mortgage, probably dictate to pay that off. but i was lucky i could pay it off. no regrets. host: we learned last night that your wife is a pediatrician and you are a cardiac surgeon. what is the difference in your malpractice insurance rates? malpractice insurance rates? guest: it is huge. a k? so i would say -- host: exponentially? guest: yes. i would say 50 times more than she pays. host: is there a doctor anymore who has not been sued? guest: well, i think there are doctors. personally, in my entire career, i was sued one time, and it was dropped, ok? but that still does not change beefier regionthe fear -- the fear that is ingrained in all of us. we just