emory doing my ph.d. and so this led to proto post. and then the next year that was two for the next year there was a hip hop and feminism conference at the university of chicago, and this was sort of like the center of the dialog for many of the so my coming and so and at that point byron heard it released a film called hip hop beyond beats and rhymes in future dissertation committee member beverly gossip doll is in film, sort of, you know, spitting at the camera saying, you know, black women are treated as objects, be --, right? so that was my coming into feminism in that moment, growing up on hip hop, southern hip hop, loving it, but also having this clear sort of analysis of patriarchy and objectification and the way that the system was set up to to sort demonize black women's. and so we were all drawing a clear line between sarah barton, sarah baartman, the hottentot, venus and these video vixens and putting that on slides. and it's so because you never believe when you're like 23 that you would like revise a stance you so clearly held and now you know, 18 years later, 17 years later, i have many more questions about that moment than i have sor