extra employees at universities, how many extra employees in school districts and how many extra employeeses at the state depths of education and maybe even a local school district, can you give us some idea of. -- to also -- into we can compare the 50,000 at the federal level, what other savings we might get by giving an idea of the quantity of those people at other levels? >> that's a terrific question, and inunfortunately, hard and fast numbers don't exist. what we are seeing from historical record, let just take school districts for example. if you look at the ratio starting from the 1950s of school teachers to administrative staff, it used to be teachers dominated. now we're seeing techers and administrators are at best about equal and in some states on average, administrators outnumber teachers. so we have seen a general growth. unfortunately aren't specific numbers, annual numbers you'd be able to quantify that. i wish those numbers did exist. but i can tell you that off the record, state superintendents will tell you that as much as -- i've heard -- been told 90% or more of their sta