cases and appellate cases and i think senator feinstein is still in the committee room, she made empreference to the simpso trial, i totally agree became a immedia media circus. i was highly critical of a judge that did not maintain the courtroom the way they should, but i know there's a huge difference between a trial and an appellate argument, should have every limitation of time, should have a very struck schured thing, i think that appellate litigants, it would be hard to find one that wants to grandstand an appellate argument. i have argued an awful lot of cases in fellow courts, it just does not work and one you have a very limited period of time unlike the open ended aspects of a trial and i think we're dealing with different things. but i think that there is, as senator derbin noted, prior to this bill, which allows a vote to close on a specific thing and i imagine it may be such cases -- it would be very rare, but it would be such cases. i have wrestled with this idea during my years here in the senate, but i'm afraid when you have so much distortion of what goes on in our government