our next guest has written about it, joe wise enberg, author of russia upside down.enegger cutting through the narrative. does it get to the people? how will this get to people that are not seeing any kind of free media any more. >> well, i was very moved by what he said, it is unusual to have a perspective like that, and in the middle of it, admitting his father was a nazi, but taken for granted that's not who he is. it is very honest and open. but it seems unlikely it will get to the russian people in any meaningful way. >> and when you see vladimir putin today after the extraordinary destruction we have seen in mariupol, and he is now wearing this jacket in a soccer stadium after all of the criticism he is so isolated, he doesn't know what's going on, other than what he has, one or two advisers. the disinformation campaign for months and months, they've been calling ukrainians nazis even though it is not true. zelenskyy is jewish. relatives were killed in the war, in the holocaust. >> i want to give you a sideways perspective on that. what you're saying is correct