there's a lot of moving parts the trshth of limitations have been separate ballot proposals that were encontacted in the 80s and 90s prop j was not an outside group from sole they've got their own lunge that didn't mesh with other language and had other things it was raising what intrigued us with the public benefit yold that in the technicalities in our package there's a finding of the declarations that are very strong with about you know the appearances of corruption and things like that and grant the public benefits that went away i think what strengthened ordinances that are aimed at controlling corruption regardless of how the other text was worked with this concept of thinking about publicly benefits is important for thinking about how the flow of money can effect city government in negative ways so i will forward you that section of the report for you to look at but the think the history is a little bit more complicated then being discussed at this point >> other public comment? >> larry bush from friends of ethics when this was passed as prop e nothing in the material that went to the com