today on "leaders with lacqua," we meet the chief executive of enel, francesco starace.hank you so much for joining us right here today at bloomberg. mr. starace, how difficult was it for enel to go from a coal polluter to one of the most renewable energy utilities-friendly companies in the world? francesco: first of all, we were not a total polluter, we already had a sensible amount of renewable energy in the legacy of large hydro plants that most utilities have in europe. but now we have a lot more. so it was -- let's say it was, in retrospective, things always seem easier than they actually were. so it was a little bit of a mind-changing exercise on a large-scale, let's put it this way. it took a while, but there was a point where everything turned around. there was a couple of years where things really changed. francine: what years? francesco: they were like, i would say, 2012, 2014. and after that, it was a little faster. francine: if you look at the shift, right, from fossil fuel to renewables for the industry as a whole, how disruptive will it be for you, but also