engineermes damoe, an was recently fired at google for , writing a memo in which he claimed that menre more biologically suited to computers than women. do you think that mistaken assumption or toxic assumption is part of the problem? melinda: i think we all have a -- all have bias. i think we need to get under the hood and figure out, how do you create change by designing it out of the system? and yes, i think if you are in one culture that looks a particular way, where it looks like only a white male can get ahead, who went to an ivy league university, you are going to bake more bias into the system. whereas if we design a system where there are different pathways in, we look at the environment, how to design it out you look at how , do you spawn innovation for women and women of color, you will start to change the system. emily: in the last few years, you have really recommitted to being a champion for women in technology, in particular. is there a specific moment or reason when you realized someone had to speak up for women in tech, and that that person could be you? emily: yes,