governor engler, appreciated your comment about the salvation army. i'm wondering what the impact of charitable choice as an amendment to the '96 welfare reform -- what you saw as the impact of that. >> i'm not sure i'm able to give you a good analysis. i just put it under the category of whatever flexibility can be created, and can be done constitutionally, legally, i'm all for it. all charity -- i wouldn't say all -- much of charity only was faith-based in the beginning, so i certainly have no problem going back to some of the people who are the most experienced to call pop their help. -- call upon their help. >> question? yes. >> so in recent years when there was some discussion of tanf reauthorization there was a discussion draft that was going to create more flexibility for education and training. and there were sort of disputes over that and it didn't happen. you talked about education and training. obviously the moynihan example of just education and training doesn't work but there is a way to combine work requirement and education and training

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former governor john engler and tommy thompson of wisconsin open the forum hosted by the american enterprisetitute. >> we are just about ready to get started on what i think is a historic events. on going to tell a short anecdote. this room actually this room according to a story by ron haskins was filled with republicans posted gingrich and they were about to vote on the ways and means talent emerged-- merged welfare reform bill, but representative mike castle had come in with a centrist bill at the last minute, which was actually quite upsetting, so the rules committee decided that castle could prevent-- present his version and first would be voted on and if it lost he would support the ways and means bill. so, representative was very very agitated over this. he's in the back corner over there at that time in the closet pacing back and forth with his door open and he sees castle conferring with two or three other people and he says that's out of protocol. you can't be dealing like that. you got to be on the up and up and make a presentation, so ron haskins goes over there to check it out.

. >> joining us is john engler. he issued a letter to the eu states to issue a return on apple. we should point out that ireland itself is fighting this. good to see you. >> great to be with you. >> so the basic thrust of your letter was what? >> you made the point in the question. ireland is the country that's the taxes country in this case. they have a law. the company in this case apple followed that law is now finding out years later the european commission and really the competition had is saying you're doing something wrong and we're going to retroactively point out this burden. that you're creating great uncertainty. it'd be like me offering something when a company located -- a new plant there and then later on finding out in washington they objected to michigan's policy and overrode that. that's what's happening. the eu is overriding ireland's policy and that's why ireland is fighting this. and the company in this case is -- our worry is that could spread. this could be something and the commissioner even hinted at this that we could reach after other companies and try