so if i were to give credit to invention of the computer it would be the people who did eniac and even though they took the idea from a lot of other people, or i should say especially because they took their ideas from a lot of other people. >> who is steve wozniak? >> he was steve jobs partner, you know, and the founder of apple. once again it shows how partnerships in teamwork can work. because steve wozniak creates the circuit board will becomes the apple one and the apple ii. he's a genius at knowing how to create circuit, with very few components in order to turn it in to a hobbyist computer, but i've a computer you can use at home. he loves giving it away. is part of the old ethos. he takes the sheet about works out and gives it away to all the members of the homebrew computer club so they can build one. what happens is his friend just down the street, steve jobs, said no, we should build these and we should sell them. so they create a little company which they call apple. so what it takes to innovate is not just the person who has the idea which is wozniak but it takes the perso

nature of what computers are because we realized as a limited when they're doing, they're programming eniac, that the program is where the magic comes. >> quick preview of walter isaacson's fall 2014 book, "the innovators: how a group of inventors, hackers, and geeks created the digital revolution." you are watching booktv on c-span2, tv for serious readers. >> visit booktv.org to watch any of the programs you see here online. type the author or book title in the search bar on the upper left side of the page and click search. you can share anything you see on booktv.org easily by clicking share on the upper left side of the page and selecting the format. booktv streams live online for 48 hours every weekend with top nonfiction books and authors. tv.org. >> one of the first things i did when i was researching this book in 2012 was to go to the big hacker convention. yes, hackers have conventions. in las vegas of all places it's called defcon and this was at defcon 20. i met some really strange people, supersmart but they have something scrolling walking they call th a wall of sheep which ae