that's what happened at enlron, 2. they started a little corner cutting here and there.the next thing you knew, the whole company was a fraud. >> thousands of people suffered? >> that's right. >> you looked at the catholic church, too. do you think that's what happened there, also. >> i think there is something different that happened there. you are talking about a film. i was interested in that film because i was interested in this group of deaf men who fought back. they had been previously. >> very early on. >> very early on. nobody was listening or interested in hearing. they are deaf men the they have a hard time being heard but they made themselves heard up to the vatican and to the pope. i think the psychological process at work in that film was something called -- the police call noble cause corruption. the idea if you are in a noble or a holy caused if a few kids are hurt, you know, look at all of the good that we do and you begin to haven't yourself there wasn't a problem heand somehow clericalism is more important that the priesthood is more important than the