so respect itay e enrendtr and you sa--don't care if it was a republican conservative republican or liberal running in california in each of the cases coming you had them using the obama template. >> host: one of te other things i found interesting as you said the president is frustrated by the efforts to pin him somewhere on the ideological spectrum. how does he see himself? >> guest: hebe leaves he is a progressive. i always say that bill clinton d barack obama you give them ten issues and tell them and they will eventually get to the same compromise that but they will get there differently. , whether it is how they do their personal politics aboutit i think what bothers him if he doesn't believe he is as liberal as his opponents think he is but this goes back to the fact that his negotiating style has been again i go back to this very rational on the one hand and this is the minimum that i am willg to do and he lets people know right away. and the world of washington assume he doesn't really mean it. that's his opening bid. and so that's where he is having the disconnected issue. >> host