. >> mike, ensentincentives do matter. you look at the number of whistleblower lawsuits. the cases have been going up dramatically over the past several years. >> i'm going to snitch for no money now. steve had a doughnut before we came out on the set. no but -- seriously, yeah incentives work. obviously, the people paying these huge incentives think it's going to save more money going forward. look i'm not going to say some of these payouts don't seem outlandish they do. in general, yes, incentives work. they help solve some of these cases and put these people where they belong behind bars. >> you see all these million dollar payouts. for whistleblowers. we can put up the amount of money. it topped out in 2011 there. that was the time when all the so-called predator lending payouts took place. shouldn't people be whistleblowers just for the truth's sake? >> i think so. i don't understand why we have to pay people to do the right thing. there's a problem in our society that everybody expects to be paid for everything. including just doing what you should be doing either a