to quote entine.ious without science is blind. from stephen hawking, it would be difficult to explain why the universe would have begun in just this way, except as the act of a god who intended to create beings like us. >> but hawking is an atheist. >> this is a direct quote. >> so what? he has stated -- hawking has stated on this stage he does not believe in god. >> well, he doesn't believe in the dead white male that you're talking about, the strawman that you have put up or the mythical god that sam harris is talking about. >> the god is meaningless -- >> no, i just said, the god that givens us inspiration, insight, creativity, free will, conscious choice-making, imagination. >> deepak -- >> are you doing that or are new rons doing that? >> my neurorons. >> well, then you are a zombie. >> dial it down just a little bit. >> reporter: and already heated debate gets even more so, when we come back. called it "one of the best family cars of 2009." the insurance institute for highway safety calls it a 2