>> in spit talking point, ephraim, i think i have more faith in the iranian people than you do. i think they will deal with this regime, get rid of this regime and iran will reach democracy. the history of iran has shown when you have these tensions with the outside world, that has repressed and pushed back the pro democracy movement in mor them. their space, in order to pursue what they were doing more successfully in the early 2000s has become almost minimallized as a combination of repressiveness of the regime, further millerization of the regime, which all are weathered with increased tensions with the outside world f israel really wants to see a democratic iran, rest assured, bombing iran is not going to bring that about, nor bring back the friendship that existed between the iranian people and jewish people prior to the 1979 revolution. >> as i say my first comment, bombing iran is not my desire. i say 1,000 times it's the last resort. for all the reasons i would like to avoid it, if possible. but how you think without sanctions that make iran in -- this regime will be top