it is clear that metropolitan epiphanius actually turns to one page of this conflict, uh, well, with such a clear, humane proposal that we are an open church, come, we will all accept, and he previously emphasized this more than once, after that he leaves this position altogether that we are open to everyone and if many people don't even like this position of the leadership because suddenly a hafangel will come or if someone else well, what will we do, well, that is, but at least they like this position that we are open to everyone and in in principle, we are a church for everyone, and no matter what there is, well, for the orthodox, let's say ukrainian -speaking and russian-speaking there and others, i don't know, well, of any orientation from any position, this is such a universal christian position that we are open to everyone we will figure it out there, and if so, this is a natural position, because i know some bishops who are now outstanding figures of the orthodox church of ukraine, and when they came to study from moscow , they had god save the king on their ringtone, and acc

with a request to approve him as a brother in the ptu monastery , epiphanius agreed and now abrahamorm the duties of the vicar on the holiday - assumptionist who is part of the pechersk lavra, abraham yesterday in his address called on other monks to transfer to the ptu and at the same time stay in the lavra. the uoc reported that metropolitan onufriy imposed a ban on archimandre and avramius from serving without the right to communion for evading schism and gross violation of the oath , i.e. they said he was a schismatic. avramiya to ptzu commented today and metropolitan pavlo, listen to what he said. and why was avraniya forbidden to serve? this is judas, a thief who secretly took out some things and entered. i should not be in front of you. this is the man in front of you who answers and reflects and i am not in front of you current passions, if i may say so, in the lavra and around the lavra, we will discuss with a religious scholar , andriy smirnov , a religious scholar, doctor of historical sciences, is joining the air, can you hear me? good evening. i would like to start with

when it became known that epiphanius appointed a priest to the church , who came, i understand, to theconsiders himself the governor of the lavra - the governor of the lavra. and on what grounds can epiphanius appoint the governor of the lavra, because i understand that the churches in the lavra have not yet been handed over for use by the ptu, how do you understand it? where it was very simply, it is not the premises of the kiev-pechersk lavra of the holy assumption lavra - it is a legal entity, the same legal entity exists and they registered it in the pts, it exists and it is clear that to determine this or that governor he has the right because it is his jurisdiction and not here a contradiction because these are different legal structures and the fact that we see the transition of this monk is not just a testimony, this is a different monk who performed certain duties in the kiev-pechersk lavra of the dormition, and this such a good sign. this is a beginning, albeit a small one. yes, but still, the person found strength in himself. no, she expressed her position and appealed to th

continue slavria and the monastery on the territory of the shrine will not be closed, metropolitan epiphaniusof the lavra and the public, the language of services will be old slavonic together with the modern ukrainian language. the moscow spiritual authority in ukraine is non-canonical and the kremlin is using it against the ukrainian people, so epiphanius called on the monks not to believe manipulations and to contribute to the process of liberation from the moscow yoke to the kyiv pechersk lavra returns the ukrainian church of the lavra should not be an instrument of struggle against ukraine, but on the contrary, a place of prayer for a pious monastic life in the spirit of the fathers and ascetics of the past , a place that will spiritually inspire our fellow citizens in these difficult times, our hearts are open for unity as sacred archimandrite , i testify my respect for the true pious traditions of lavra life there were service features to those fathers and brothers who came to this monastery for the sake of a feat and salvation of the soul to all who do not share the biology of the rus

volodymyr kovalenko and roman shcherbakov program windows stb marathon single news metropolitan epiphanius assures that services will be continued on the territory of the kyiv-pechersk lavra there is no mention of closing the monastery and it will not be returned to previous users he said this in an address to brothers of the lavra and the public, epiphanius called on the brothers to contribute to the process of liberation from the moscow yoke and emphasized the jurisdiction of the moscow patriarchate in ukraine. there is no canonical nor a moral perspective, as well as an expression of hope that soon moscow's ban on influencing ukrainian church life will be finally confirmed by state law. i also testify, brothers, that all of you who follow the requirements of the canons of the tomos will reject the lawless power of moscow and continue their service in the lavra with all their abilities and authority. will be used to protect you from intimidation by the current head of the lavra to manage the current affairs of the monastery will be those who know the traditions and the life of the monast

and the fact that epiphanius is such a head, so he is his abbot there. point of view. imagine you can calculate what i mean by the rector of st. peter's well, some attitude. and if a person can say, well , what difference can two religious organizations, well, it is clear that it is absolutely absurd and lawless. yes which unfortunately are happening and unfolding now here on our eyes. uh, this is just before the eyes of believers who live directly in kiev and in general in ukraine, this is primarily two. yes, uh, father. andrey thanks you for being with us on the air . father andrey e, andrey vyacheslavovich novikov e, the rector of the church of the life-giving trinity on sparrow hills, explained a lot. he was in direct contact with us. thank you for your attention. the chinese army is ready, together with russia , to defend international justice and justice, such a statement was made by the ministry of defense of the prc what else was said and where there is there are no prospects for military cooperation yet, but the inventory commission has already

yes, metropolitan epiphanius really offered and said that the orthodox church of ukraine is open andemises will be transferred to the orthodox church of ukraine, well, for example, now the orthodox church of ukraine serves on the upper lavra in the dormition and trapezium churches , the orthodox church is open to that brother who really breaks with moscow, and if she chooses, that is, there may be several ways one of the ways is to join the orthodox church of ukraine to the monastery that is registered, yes, the monastery of the orthodox church of ukraine is such a way, and if people go that way, then the head of our church really says that you will choose your abbot yourself. yes, this is a world tradition, not moscow, it is us are not appointed that is how vladyka pavel became the deputy of lava, and vladyka epiphanius says you will choose for yourself er and humin, moreover, he says that if there is a tradition, then you will live according to those traditions and liturgies, including those that were eh he he says this publicly so that everyone can hear that the language of religi

volochysk minute about ukraine , they have a big internal conflict, it’s clear that metropolitan epiphaniusing one side of this conflict, well, from such a clear a humane position that we are an open church, come, we will accept everyone, and he previously emphasized this more than once, therefore, in general, it comes from this position that we are open to everyone, and no matter what, many even the kotsuls like this the position of the leadership because suddenly a gafangel will come or if someone else well, we will do, well, that is, but at least this position is declared that we are open to everyone and, in principle, we are a church for everyone, eh and whatever it is , well, for the orthodox, let's say eh there and ukrainian-speaking and russian-speaking people there and those who are there, i do not know, well, of any orientation from any position, this is such a universal christian position that we are open to everyone, and we will figure it out there, and if, well, this is a natural position, because i know some bishops who are now are kind of figures of the orthodox church of ukra

think, for a separate professional discussion, but the head of the orthodox church of ukraine and epiphanius offered the monks to stay in the kiev-pechersk lavra to become monks of the orthodox church of ukraine, but i still do not see such a tendency for them to want to stay there. well, here you know not even church, but legal relations that are regulated by the church code, not the church code, but the civil code. i apologize. the lease term has expired goodbye, and this is absolutely normal , healthy, sober, and there is nothing extraordinary about how russia will be able to use it in class interests to destabilize society, well, it seems to me that it is more difficult to destabilize and set up ukrainian society against russia than to fire rockets, to attack churches and residential buildings and destroy everything possible . i think that the issue of creating a corresponding tribunal remains very relevant, mr. yevgeny. thank you for the conversation. it was yevhen magda, the executive director of the institute of world politics , a political scientist and historian, friends, we work in

, no one imagines, but even earlier , the head of the orthodox church of ukraine , metropolitan epiphaniusid that it is possible that most of the monks or a significant part of them will want to stay and there will be an option that they will stay, they should not leave and they will be in the orthodox church of ukraine by itself, this question cannot be an individual one, it is in the broad, large context of the new religious policy of president volodymyr zelenskyi, who the first years of his during the presidency, in principle, he was not very interested in this topic, but when the war began, when the moscow patriarchate clearly supported the russian army, then this issue became acute . in principle, they do not believe in it too much , the security service conducted searches in the churches of the ukrainian orthodox church throughout the fall, imposed sanctions on its leaders, and volodymyr zelensky even in his address in the evening supported what the government is doing with the kyiv -pechersk lavra, we cannot allow the terrorist state to have any opportunity to manipulate the spiritu

kiev-pechersk lavra, archimandra and avraamiy lotosh, whose superior according to this , metropolitan epiphanius approved the acting vicars of the kyiv-pechersk lavra as part of the already orthodox church in ukraine . the disciplinary punishment was imposed for evading the schism and gross violation of the oath of the clergyman who is now actually the vicar of the kyiv-pechersk lavra and what does this decision of the uoc mp change in general, please, well, this decision of the uoc mp does not change anything at all, they can stick this decision in front of er monitor and er to be comforted then they did it to me let’s say this the first reaction a to such actions is b because a-a no similar a-a punishments of document definitions have been made during all this time in relation to clear and open collaborators with russian the aggressors, and the bishops who resubordinated the structures of the ukrainian orthodox church in the occupied territories, such as laser seeders , for example, in crimea, and like the others who came forward , they are directly subordinated to the russian patriarch and ar

nestor of ternopil and kremenets was approved, the synod also supported the request of metropolitan epiphanius to the monks of the kyiv-pechers lavra with a call to free themselves from the moscow yoke and also appealed to authorities and a call to provide buildings on the territory of the kyiv-pechersk lavra for the monastery of ptzu, president volodymyr zelenskyi visited border guards in sumy oblast he got acquainted with the demolition of their service for covering the borders of the state and noted that the fighters interact closely with other components of the defense forces before this . the supreme commander also visited the okhtyr on the anniversary of the heroic defense. he noted how courageously the residents withstood russian attacks on the settlement and defended themselves firmly at the beginning of the full-scale war. in honor of the award of the hero's city, we feel that ukraine will win the entire war, we must remember that this feeling does not just come from nothing, it is not just some rhetoric or pathos - this feeling consists of we must remember all this that this feeling

they don't really have parishioners even when epiphanius was in the lavra at christmas there was a frame's there? well, even a small crowd there, someone especially no one came from kiev. yes? mostly there were either some kind of military or or just, uh, brought together people, so, unfortunately, in this case, if they really kick out, uh, the ukrainian orthodox church from there. i, uh, think, e lavra will wait for desolation for a while, because there will simply be nothing there. and here it is, this is the last line. yes, here is the umbilical cord that is being collected. naturally, according to science in western partners , zelensky cut between the mental spiritual historical connection between ukrainian the russian people. and here he is in this, i think the whole tragedy is the situation. well, uh, zelensky ivan is an absolutely non-religious person. i think he's basically an atheist. yes, he, in principle, does not care that he starts a religious war. i was already silent about the fact that there are a lot of soldiers. tsu, for example, is also a parishioner of this church, so

he went to mihajlovic said, sorry, yes, yes and met epiphanius there. he gave the signal.s story, so this is going nowhere. it's bad, but i pray and worry for those. by the way, i want to say, i do not see. yes, you can imagine, yes, the first christians who turn to the neuron. yes, i'm speaking directly. oh, you know, we were going here. this is how the neurons prayed. yes, people know, he promised that he would even be baptized, like, uh, to the executioner. you can apply with a prayer. it wasn't decisive so here, uh, i don't discuss it because this is a sin i argue. i am on the side of those who are faithful to the orthodox faith in ukraine , there are a lot of such majority, i cannot say that this is ukraine , and today more than five criminal cases have been initiated there, they say it reaches a hundred. for what a betrayal for a violation of the territorial integrity of a spy. and anything brings already 11 verdicts against respected priests. i was the church. you were a church and you know there is a service according to all the canons. and then the priest. after t

epiphanius called on the brothers to contribute to the process of liberation from the moscow yoke and emphasized the jurisdiction of the moscow patriarchate in ukraine . there is no canonical or moral perspective, as well as expressions of hope that soon moscow's ban on influencing ukrainian church life will be confirmed by state law. i also testify, brothers, that all of you who follow the requirements of the canons of the tomos will reject the lawless the authorities of moscow continue their service in the lavra, we will use all our capabilities and authority to protect you from intimidation by the current head of the lavra, the current affairs of the monastery will be managed by those who know the traditions and life of the monastery, who is known to you, because he belongs to the brotherhood, who has the appropriate abilities and did not direct himself with loyalty to the russian measure already citizens of ukraine but still without a ukrainian passport hundreds of people who once had russian citizenship but have been living for more than one year in ukraine they cannot get the ne

such a a great desire, and at the moment the priest uses the upper lavra, next sunday metropolitan epiphaniusill serve in the assumption cathedral and so far this situation satisfies the priest , instead the best way out would be if the monks themselves moved to the orthodox church of ukraine and continued to pray there. discussed what tools of influence the clergy itself has. and you said that pavlo lebid can go to court, and do you expect any protest actions of the movements of statements from the flock of this church in them there are a lot of supporters, yes, people who go to this church, can they organize rallies, protests, etc. well, until some forceful measures are taken against the monastery, i think that there will be no protest rallies, but the information campaign in the next two weeks will be large and all informational resources the uoc mp and those related to the uocmp will incite this situation, but once again i want to emphasize that evicting monks can only be done by a court decision and only the executive service, together with law enforcement agencies, has the right to use

representatives of the orthodox church of ukraine served there, he led the service metropolitan epiphaniusw the faithful of the moscow patriarchate will have to vacate the territory of the monastery, on which, in particular, the ancient caves are located, so that the spirit of the moscow priest would not be there. the bodies of our allegedly dead border guards were summoned to the coalition team, in addition to the crew, there were also three priests, they were all taken prisoner a year after those events, the released ship saphir again on duty, her clergy keep their spiritual front, tsn correspondent inna bodnar will continue odesa came to the church for the evening services, olena brought a bulletproof vest to be consecrated, her husband was at home after being wounded , and now he is returning to the front once, god had mercy, he survived us further, the request to consecrate the bulletproof vest did not surprise the father at all vasyl was sent, lord god, this year and that he was armed with the power of your heavenly intercession, he was for the servant of god, our warrior , for our s

not yet publicly voiced their position , the acting vicar of the lavra, appointed by metropolitan epiphaniusd his position the day before archimandrite avraamiy, he himself went to the ptsu and called on the brothers to follow his example, dear actions and brothers, i urge you to stay in the lavra as part of the local orthodox church of ukraine, the forum of the most blessed metropolitan epiphany is known, i am ready to communicate with you and i want to work together with you to renew our monastery as a real monastery and a place of spiritual renewal for monks and all the faithful, for such a step, avramiya of the uoc instantly deprived him of service, even though for opening collaboration for helping the enemy for the transfer to the rpc did not punish any of their representatives , instead only cursed the address of the president and the entire ukrainian government. god will not forgive you or your family. look, and the former abbot of the lavra has again shown his love for journalists, dear me , or what, give me dear, once again, the products of all your cameras. and why are you threaten

the information recently appear that the head of the orthodox church of ukraine , metropolitan epiphaniusrecognized and appointed archimandrite avraami to perform the duties of the vicar of the assumption of the holy kiev-pechersk lavra as part of the ptu this was reported in the orthodox church of ukraine. we wanted to hear the reaction to this from the head of the uoc mp onufriy , but since he is currently leading the service , the press is simply not allowed near him . refectory of cathedrals, this decision is being appealed by the moscow patriarchate in court. today, its representative said that the service will take place and further added that on thursday another commission will start work that will check 79 objects that the monastery used free of charge. we are listening to comments. the religious service was handed over, the icons that were, uh, handed over for use, so it was never about the fact that the monk's life would end there, what will this be, our life , let's see in the future, law and order during religious services are provided by the outfits of the police conflicts be

maybe i would buy something for myself there, 3x2 m but no more and not in london, metropolitan epiphaniust they can stay if they reject the power in moscow and the language of worship will be ancient slavic along with modern ukrainian, what do you think, will many monks accept such conditions or should we not flirt with by those who served russian you can't reject any people forever, and humanity hasn't come up with anything except apologies. for certain versts , it's an apology for the first to other versions, it's a prison , humanity hasn't come up with anything. if you made a small mistake, you have to apologize, and that's all if you didn't make a big mistake. you have to go to prison, all this is enough. now we are all excited, we have a war, we are bombarded by a catastrophe , uh, these worries, and we are definitely looking at it very acutely. and if we try, as johanstern advised us, uh, take take a breath, wait for a year 2-3 after the war and look at the world around us more soberly and calmly, then we will think differently, so if they apologized, switched to ukrainian or old sl

patriarchate in association with the orthodox church of ukraine and his beatitude metropolitan epiphaniusting vicar of the holy assumption kyiv-pechersk lavra, in fact, this is great news, uh, there were many hopes that clerics of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate will transfer to the ptu. now we see that such transfers do happen, nevertheless , ivan, this is a very pragmatic, absolutely not a religious question, and these people will somehow be checked , perhaps by special services, and whether they should be checked by special services. i just wanted that to say that they are transferring . this is good, but there should be careful filtering of these people . you understand, they can jump over. yeah, okay. there is no russian-patriarchy there, we will take over to ukraine and in the ukrainian one, and carry out the same activities there that we carried out there before. er, special services, for example, the sbu. yes, there or there. the national police is there to keep an eye on these people and monitor their actions. that is, it can also be a cover. he simply tr

illegally, and secondly, because they may transfer to the orthodox church of ukraine and metropolitan epiphanius of kyiv and all ukraine has already appealed to the brothers to go to the orthodox church of ukraine to stay there and pray more. he offered them to choose a new head and humin of the lavra from among themselves. we will see if they are willing. but there is also a third scenario when the monks could turn to the ecumenical patriarch with a request to restore the ancient stauropygy, i.e. the direct subordination of the monastery to the ecumenical patriarch as it was in the 17th century until the moscow patriarchate did not annex this lavra, well, yes, you talked about unification, so what do you expect that an even larger part of the uoc will transfer to the ptu, or has everyone already done it? well, we are not only talking about lavru, yes, the transitions continue. they are not as massive as they were immediately after the tomos or after the beginning of the russian large-scale invasion of ukraine, but almost every day there are transitions of certain apparatuses from the uoc mp to

, and it has already become known that the head of the orthodox church of ukraine, metropolitan epiphaniuso appoint a new vicar of the kyiv-pechers lavra to him became archimandrite avraamiy and e-e minister of culture oleksandr tkachenko also made a statement that from march 30 in the kyiv-pechersk lavra, a commission for the acceptance of buildings will work. of the economic court in kyiv, the process is evidenced by the single court register and they indicated today that they will be sued and will not leave the premises of the lavra until the end of the legal process . we were here all day. the day began with the morning service, which was conducted by clergymen of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, after which between the faithful clashes have begun and let's hear the believers of the uoc mp let's listen to the prayer let's listen who are we who are we praying for putin what kind of patriarch is there and who are we praying for there is a structure in the church there are canons yes we we follow them we do not violate the laws of the state. we do not violate the

begun or the service of the orthodox church of ukraine in the ukrainian language, metropolitan epiphanius served in the dormition cathedral and the holy church. i hope that in the lower lavra there will also be a prayer in the ukrainian language there, the orthodox church of ukraine receives access currently , unfortunately, it is not about the full lease of the upper or lower lavra for the orthodox church of ukraine, after the termination of the contract for the use of the lower lavra, all the property will go to the reserve. an audit is currently taking place. so, these are more than 700 different museum exhibits, and this interdepartmental commission must check everything and give its opinion, in what condition is this property preserved or not preserved, and if there were any violations or losses, then, accordingly , the kiev-pechersk lavra, the uoc men's monastery the mp should bear responsibility because vladyka a-a pavlo has been managing there for years without control, and now the situation has changed . to the kyiv-pechersk lavra well, this is a difficult question, a question of

day before , the acting vicar of the lavra , archimandrite avraamiy, appointed by metropolitan epiphaniusd his position . brothers, i urge you to stay in the lavra as part of the local orthodox church of ukraine, the forum of his beatitude metropolitan epiphany is known to be ready to communicate with you and i want to work together with you for renewal our abode as a real monastery and a place of spiritual renewal for monks and all the faithful, for such a step, the uoc avrahamia immediately deprived it of service, although for opening collaboration with the help of the enemy for the transition to the russian orthodox church, they did not punish any of their representatives, instead, god only cursed the president and the entire ukrainian government neither you nor your family. for this concession, the mountains to you are afraid. this morning , the representatives of the ministry of culture and the moscow patriarchate did not miss one of the churches to inspect one of the churches. lavra, look, and the former abbot of lavra again showed his love for journalists today, dear me , or what,

patriarchate, and then we organized our headquarters, we will say so, the metropolitan himself is there, epiphanius therefore, naturally that he arrived there, because it is, as it were. quieter rate, as they say, their headquarters is not their nest, it was natural for him to be there, of course, he showed them, probably, showed them how they live , probably complained that when they take away everything in our church, they will give it to them. i think, i think, such a conversation, probably was. and you know, quite recently i had an interview with, professor svetozarsky, and we talked about parallel historical e, the persecution of the soviet church by the communists in the thirties of the last century, about what analogies can be seen now with the persecution of the canonical church in ukraine and he very interesting highlighted the question of what is the main threat. uh, the schism does not come from this small and relatively little influential group of raskolnikov called kisses, but from the greek catholics taken away. it's very interesting to watch them now. what will be their actions? on t

this situation lies in the fact that it is banal for this orthodox church of ukraine named after epiphaniussically there will be no one to fill these laurels, they don’t have such a number of monks. they don't really have parishioners even when the chapel was in the lavra for christmas there was a frame. what's there? well, even a small crowd there, no one in particular came. sklyan. yes? basically, there were either some kind of military or or just, uh, demolished people, so, unfortunately, in this case, if they really kick out the uh ukrainian orthodox church from there. i, uh, think, the laurel will be desolated for a while, because there is simply nothing there. will. and here it is, this is the last line. yes, here is the umbilical cord that is being collected. naturally, according to the science of western partners, zelensky cut between mental spirits. new historical ties between the ukrainian russian people and that's it. i think there is a traditionalism in this situation, but e zelensky man is absolutely not religious. he is, in my opinion, an atheist. yes, he, in principle, does n

e, so the so-called epiphanius dumenko for some reason considers himself a metropolitan.le who are in power, they are fighting, uh, not for any political goals, let's say, for which, in principle, any state has the right to fight. they fight against the church and, of course, sooner or later i think that the awareness of this hmm will come to all the inhabitants of ukraine and change their attitude to what is happening . the great gogol's story is viy and these demons that entered the temple climbed in there and staged an orgy there, but they did not have time to leave from there. here they are somehow frozen stuck in these walls. i think it will also be here with these, because the constants associated with the faith with the church. they are present in our lives in the 21st century among the iphones of these media , these endless constants. they also exist in churches in ukraine, and these attempts to erase their attempts to destroy the churches or to seize them are, in fact , meaningless these beauties. they exist somewhere independently. this is part of this amazing f

but the upper cathedral, the main temple of tzu, with whom he met there, again with epiphanius.in ukraine, you know, as it were, but p- chicken. they are ordinary people. they say figuratively. let's think. that's who the main man of the world came to me, respectively, our temple is the strongest , the strongest, respectively, we received strength. we got support, so we're moving like this, i don't understand this situation. i have not understood him for a long time, but in this situation one could at least be wise for oneself for me, what i mean is now the post. all the orthodox are fasting and people come to the morning service for treatment, but they pray. they will confess and then they will receive communion, that is, this is a situation when people come to churches for several weeks, as researchers pray at their home. nothing else should happen there precisely at this moment, you need to give people so little good in the life of orthodox ukrainians and others. but especially the orthodox in general, there is little the war goes on in the end. and then it was necessary to t

sophia’s cathedral, the saints of all orthodox with whom he met there with epiphanius.rry. by the way, i want to say, i do not see. yes, you can imagine, yes, the first christians who turn to the neuron. yes, i can imagine, yes, yes. oh, you know we were here. that's how they prayed and neurons promised, you know, he promised that even to be baptized, as to the executioner. you can turn to prayer. so, uh, i don’t discuss it, because it’s a sin , i argue, and it is on the side of those who are faithful in the orthodox faith in ukraine that there are a lot of such majority, i can’t say that here this is ukraine and so today more. what kind of criminal cases have already been initiated there they say, up to a hundred, for what, for treason, for violating territorial integrity, for a spy, for anything , 11 sentences have already been initiated against respected priests. i was the church. you have been to church. you know there is a service according to all the canons, and then the priest. after the service, he can contact the parishioners on any social topic of interest to