eppler. so typically, one of the questions that i ask is can we move the meter outside of the structure, right? so the -- that casing implement, right, really coming into the conversation that i'm talking about, risers that are inside the structure or inside, under neath the building. so the first goal is if we can move the meter outside, if there's a location that's acceptable to the property owner, it's acceptable to pg&e, and it's just space because in san francisco we're constrained where we can move this. the first question is hey, can we move this outside, because if we can move it outside with the casing or sleeving, there's no problem at that point. pull the meter set apart, and we deactivate the old steel pipe and insert the plastic pipe in that. >> next question is about this -- the funnel that these cases were put into to get down to the 75. i note that when we got down to the 246 properties that were identified, pg&e went back in and found 128 of them that had been upgraded as par