commissioner bree, epson, commissioner march absent, avalos, present? there is a quorum. >> we are going to have sflafco business after the joint meeting. let's call recess for sflafco. we have a motion for recess. we'll take that without objection. this sflafco is in recess and now we can call the roll call for the joint pc sflafco meeting. >> president torres, court, commissioner cane is on her way. we do have a quorum. >> great. we have a quorum for the sflafco side as well. just to have opening remarks, this is a meeting that we had scheduled from our last meeting in february or and january to talk about where we are with the clean power s f program. a lot of moving parts that remain. key is the approval not to exceed rate which has been before the board and is potentially in the hands of the public utilities commission today. we talk about not exceed rate, the actual rates we'll have for the s f program will be below what not to exceed rates are. there is a delta between what the actual rates will be and not the compete rate and the survey results