separated ceo and chairman and we see that happen when companies get into trouble you could see it at equifaxp a board would take and it frees up the ceo to focus more on the operations >> did they wait too long? >> you know, as an outsider, you never know, but i think given that it's such a complex set of issues, it would seem to me, it would have been better to do it earlier and free up the ceo and have a strong second voice that's well-regarded >> we looked, betsy, at a couple of high-profile examples of where there had been a chairman and ceo who had lost the chairman title because of some kind of mistake that the company may have made as opposed to just retirement planning or anything along those lines. here are some of them. michael eisner, kelly killinger, ken lewis. they didn't last much longer, four, six, eight months, respectively after they lost the chairman role. of course, other examples like muilenburg and elon musk still have ceo your take on whether this move means there's a chance or a higher chance today than last week that muilenburg will find pressure in a ceo role, as wel