share holders, clearing the employees who feel the energy, and obviously the equisystem, which is five or six times the size of our company, they know we're all about business software, innovation, expanded equisystem, and beautiful execution for customers. >> it works well in your case, but i think we're all glad that apple doesn't have two ceos. apple works well with one. >> they sure do. and if that culture, that's perfect. they have a brilliant leader, and he has done an amazing job. and in their case, someone good enough, so go with it. >> if a company, and i'm talking about a big company, fortune 500 company, were mulling it over, saying, okay, here's a crazy idea, guys, what if instead of hiring one, we hire two. what advice would you give them? how do we know this is right? i'm sitting on the board. how do i know this is right for us? >> you have to have two individuals that are focused on shared values and common goals. the first thing we did is focus on the strategy of the company. so on february 7th, we dug in, and said we're participating in 110 billion market opportunities