information about contacts between campaign individuals or people in the campaign orbit and pervasive erc efforts by russian intelligence and surrogates to affect them and to communicate with them, how are those facts going to affect how the country deals with the next election that we're coming up on. and if all we take away from today and from the report is that, well, it's not criminal activity, so it doesn't matter, that really raises a lot of questions about what is acceptable behavior for a campaign over the next one to two years. >> let me ask the lawyers this question. if the mueller report, and again, we don't know what it says, but if it says there were people who were being used by the russians but didn't know it, or were willfully being used but weren't coordinating or didn't hack the election themselves, i mean, what would you say if they were saying okay, they were just being used but they weren't knowingly being used? >> the word knowingly was a word that attorney general barr used. >> exactly. >> no american knowingly disseminated material. >> that's the key word, so what