the president nominates each of the five members and erecently acknowledged the board include some fierceibertarians. >> i want to set up and structure a national conversation, not only about these two programs, but also about the general problem of big data. >> the critics in congress say the president is fast losing his moral authority. >> it's a government that is drunk on power. a government that has allowed so much power to gravitate to the presidency -- >> well, today is the president's first meeting as far as we know with the board. jennifer griffin is at the pentagon. we're learning more about some new reports -- from some new reports in "guardian" and the "washington post." >> they district the assurances that the nsa goes to great lengths to only target foreigners and guard americans' privacy. >> the new leaks leave no doubt -- should not have been any doubt before -- that the nsa is allowed to pick up americans' international communications. for the past few weeks government officials have been trying to defend the program by saying they're not listening to american phone calls

>> at one point he became erec,i yes. >> did you have trouble when he spoke -- >> no. >> in your conversationsu ask what caliber of gun mr. zimmerman had? >> yes. >> did he respond to you? >> yes. >> what did the defendant say, sir? >> .9 millimeter. >> you were asked by mr. west about the statements the defendant made about shooting the individual, and he asked you whether you agreed that that was defending himself. were you out there when this happened? >> i came up after it happened. >> did you see actually what happened? what precipitated this, or did you actually see the shooting where george zimmerman shot trayvon martin in the chest? did you see that? >> no. >> do you have any inkling of how it happened? whether it's self-defense or not? >> no. >> thank you. no further questions. i apologize -- do you want this -- no? okay. >> may he be excused? >> yes. >> thank you, call your next witness. >> while we're awaiting the next witness, let's get analysis of what we just heard over the past nearly one hour. jane velez-mitchell is joining us. also mark nejame. what do you make of the last wit