and president ergodan will talk for a half an hour. what president don't in those conversations is say, got it, i've taken your points. let me talk, consult with my team, let me get back to you. but here president trump who says he's a tough guy apparently just rolled over and capitulated and then they put out this statement late sunday night that was really not reviewed by the national security team and caught everybody totally by surprise. so it's strange. >> it sounds more than strange. it sounds like he listened. donald trump can be a fusilad himself on phone calls. but do you think it's worth understanding and investigating and sharing a transcript with what went on, on that call since after he hung up policy was made that may leave america's closest allies in the regions lives on the line? >> i think congress, the foreign affairs committee have every right to call advisers up and figure out exactly what happened here. i am careful, having served three presidents about releasing transcripts between heads of state. that is quite an