i'm really, i'm really thrilled to be talking today with eric berkovitz. eric is truly one of the finest writers i know, especially when it comes to tackling enormous subjects like, you know, the history of censorship in the west. and i love in this book. most authors would be intimidated, i think, by that huge subject matter, but eric has this great talent of taking a big subject and serving it up in delicious little morsels of history. he's a great storyteller, and these areto page-turning stories full of betrayal and heroism and sex, which is always helpful. [laughter] and burning at the stalk and all of those -- at the stake and all of those amazing, dramatic things. one reviewer has called this book a masterpiece, aastounding, a comprehensive, entertaining, historical account of censorship. and that was not his mother, that was a real reviewer. [laughter] don't do a spit take, eric. [laughter] one to have major takeaways -- one of the major takeaways for me, and i loved this book, after reading this, it seems that a major theme is censorship never real

. >> eric berkovitz is a writer, lawyer and journalist. for more than 20 years, he's