i am really thrilled to be talking today with eric berkowitz. eric is truly one of the finest writers i know especially when it comes to tackling enormous subjects like you know the history of censorship in the west. and i love this book. most authors would be intimidated by that huge subject matter but eric has this great talent of taking a big subject and serving it up and delicious morsels of history. he is a great storyteller and these are page turning stories full of betrayal and heroism and facts which is always helpful and all of those amazing dramatic things. you book was called a masterpiece of astounding a comprehensive historical account of censorship and that was not his mother. that was a real reviewer. [laughter] one of the major takeaways for me eric and i love this book after reading it seems to me the major theme is that censorship never really works at least in the long run. is that how you see a too quick to have all these examples that in and your thoughts and words in whatever form fail. is that true? >> i think it's almost e