eric curkes, -- burkes, san francisco green party and our city. i want to let folks know that advocates do, when we have been coming together on this and discussing this -- we definitely do want to see this finalized and under way by the end of august. we have a sense of urgency about this. we do not think waiting until after then would be a great idea. as to the improvements on opt out, it sounds like sf puc is headed in the right direction. however, in advocate discussions, we would see anything that is about a 25% up out rate, we are aiming for something pretty low. to that end, and also with regard to timeline, we know from being in stakeholder meetings with the sfpuc and local power, as the local buildup work matures and as we get toward the rfp stages of that work, we will learn about the potential, with phase one and 52 -- and face to, bringing in customers that would bring in higher rates and not opt out, whereas concurrent with the buildup rollout, we could have a phase two of customers that would be more likely to opt out at the beginnin