cho chokeholds. and that's center, not just of this case but other cases. eric garner in new york.w allowed them again, making it illegal to use them only recklessly. in other words saying that there are circumstances where a chokehold should be an option for officers. and i wonder why the need to reinstate that. is that necessary? >> i didn't hear the first part of the question, jim. where were you talking? what locality? >> talking about new york -- the county here amending a law to allow it under certain circumstances. my basic question to you is, should there be any circumstances where a chokehold is allowed? >> we've had a policy in the nypd for now decades that prohibits the use of chokeholds. and it's been talked about many times. it's not to say that it's fool-proof. i'm not going to stand here and tell you that we have never utilized one, but we have banned it, and we stand by that. >> understood. >> in terms of how that sometimes leads to discussions about diaphragms and things of that nature, that's where we have a difference of opinion, but regarding the chokeholds, we