joining me is the editor of red state eric erickson.r thoughts? >> we've seen her visits. it's like they're following the circus. >> you write in your op-ed piece she will be the jim henson of the political press. what do you mean by that? >> she'll have their hands up them like jim henson does to curimatecur curmitt. she shows up at a restaurant wearing sun glasses and doesn't talk to the employees. abc news refers to it as an adventure had mitt romney done that. they would have nailed him. >> you're looking at the press's reaction online in social media. how do you compare their reaction to marco rubio's announcement and hillary clinton's announcement? >> well it's interesting. with rubeio and ted cruz. with all three of them they were joking, very flippant about their speeches. focusing on any missteps they might have said in any way they may have tripped over a word. with hillary clinton it was like a queen's coronation. they were serious about it. and taking it to a much higher level. they were treating it as a level of authenticit

although as eric erickson says i have no authority to talk about this. we are agents of satin. he claims that these religious freedom laws are rescinded it could change the churn muchch as we know it. >> if the state has the power to change the definition of an institution that it did not create but that god himself created, the state can change things. a christian on the sidelines is a christian not engaged in the great commission christ himself gave us. you can be a sincere christian and support the idea of marriage. i think you're wrong, but you can. but you would be foolish to ignore what will happen to the church once the state decides something is a matter of equal protection. >> with me is matthew vines. he's an evangelical christian. he's gay and a youth leader. he's the author of "god and the gay christian. >> thank you for having me carol. >> i'm glad you're here. >> is ericsson right? >> no erick erickson's views represent the older conservative church. i represent my generation, the millennials millennials, who have a much more open stance on this issue. i grew up i

mark: where does this leave eric's and -- erickson and juniper?potential partners? julian: this need to words a software-based plan also the need to support a new kind of telecom infrastructure. if you look at some of the companies like facebook and google, what they do in terms of data centers and processing capabilities to support their services. some are moving in a similar direction. all of these vendors will have to pull in the capabilities to support those new types of networks. they will be looking for partners and companies with that expertise. it is more in the i.t. world than telco. i think there is a need for all of these companies to develop that capability. caroline: thank you very much for putting that in perspective. mark: let's take a look at the stoxx. cks. africa's biggest insurer will be replaced. he became ceo in 2008. he has outperformed his peers. bye to julia roberts. caroline: interestingly a few lower shares for lucent. the overall valuation of alcatel is more than some analysts were estimating. alcatel will get a third of

. >> eric does all of our cad drawings as well as head of modification. >> erickson's element ploi owe -- he pays the workers, he pays the workers, he pays the taxes, sadand modern shed they -- >> as soon as you have employees and you have space, you kritd liabilities. modern shed as it is now, the entity that it is there's not much liabilities. >> with all of these costs and liabilities. you might wonder why they might not prefer a weekly paycheck from ryan. >> i want to control my own life, i want to control my own time. i'll work with the guys we'll work with each other, but we prefer to be independent. >> i like to maintain that individually to bring in the jobs that i would like to build, the things that make my blood flow. >> i would not be interested in being a corporate employee ever again. >> to find out how this system of independent contractors works, you need to drive another two hours back south to the edge of puget sound to speak with mike proback. mike is director of sales for modern shed. >> we're all taking care of ourselves and we realize as we continue to grow the co