. >> i guess, though frapg, we were in that post eric ericson, the conservative bloger put up sayingvid duke's event. i guess we're saying this conference occurred in 2002 that duke had come within three-points of making it to a run aif for a congressional seat in louisiana. he made the gubernatorial runoff. in was a guy who definitely had a conservative political con stitch when esill in louisiana. is it plausible with a very ambitious audience wouldn't know who duke was involved with? >> i don't know he didn't know who duke was. i think that there definitely are some questions about whether or not he knew who duke was. that might go down to what his defense is here poor staff work. if he only did have one staff work who is being shuttled from event to event, he wasn't necessarily sure what groups he was speaking to. grant it that is necessarily an excuse because you probably should know who you're speaking with. i don't think there's any question he knew who david duke was. i think the question is he knew what this organization stood for when he spoke with them. >> when it comes do

eric ericson is expressing bafflement. "how the hell does someone show up at a david duke-organized event and claim ignorance. david duke's views were very well known to the point that the hotel publicly distanced itself from duke's group and a minor league baseball team said it did not want its players stay there. for the time being, skalise's job is safe. the same cannot be said for michael grim. one of the most colorful members, no doubt, of the 113th congress when announced late last night he will resign from congress after pleading guilty to felony tax evasion. he was re-elected by a wide margin. he initially said he would not step down. he reportedly changed his mind yesterday. it may have solved one problem for ben,oehner but it may have created another. a decision roundly criticized from people across the political spectrum. joining me now, momly bald. molly, what is the deal with first, the house leadership running around skalise and then these calls from conservatives to go after house leadership? >> well, a lot

make and it's one that a lot of conservatives are a little bit piqued about, quite frankly from eric ericsoners who have noted the sort of soft-handed approach to the scalise matter versus the very heavy-handed approach by trent -- by the folks towards trent lot. hogan, how do you reconcile that in the face of how conservatives feel that this is really sort of the establishment sort of protecting scalise when someone like trent lot was thrown out for something far less eampt greejious? >> far less. it was more timely though. this happened 12 years ago with scalise. something happen with trent lot, he was gone the next day. there's a time that heals all wounds in this situation. but as it relates to the misstep, whether it's trent lot making comments, or this guy going to espouse conservative groups to a group that's founded by the kkk, if getting in front of those groups or making the comments that trent lot said is the standard, then they both need to be gone. you can't have one without the other, in my opinion. >> i agree. >> i think a big part of the discussion hinges on that. as "the was

i remember 2012 being in south carolina standing out in front of a hotel with eric ericson, we're on woman walked up to me and said here's the keys to my car. i looked at her and said who the hell are you talking to. eric said wow. big time conservative. he said roland for years i've heard these stories and i thought black people were overestimating these stories. the eric garner case, folks got to actually witness what they have been hearing and that's what changed the same way birmingham changed. >> i couldn't agree more. that's what i was thinking this week, mika, especially with eric garner that i wonder if you had a case -- you had the birmingham church bombing which jolted white america and made them look at what was happening in alabama and across the deep south back in 1963 and i wonder, matt, if that's not what happened now in the eric garner case if this isn't the case, if this isn't the video, if this isn't the decision that doesn't wake everybody up. >> i think you're exactly right, joe. i'm seeing a lot of conservatives, it's universal, people speaking out condemning what